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Sarah Michelle Gellar's thoughts on porn...

2nd May 2010 (16:49)

... but not on yaoi, unfortunately. I couldn't find a comment by her on that. :-)

As I'm sure everybody is all too well aware by now, issue 8.34 of the 'Buffy' comic contained numerous scenes of a certain man and woman naked and having sex together. A lot of people found this to be distressing and even disgusting. Other people didn't have a problem with it. Both sides tried to explain their reactions. These explanations themselves offended some people who felt that their own feelings were thereby being invalidated, diminished or maligned. It all became a mess.

I don't want to address the wider issues in this post, because honestly, just about everything that can be said already has been. However, there's one particular sub-strand of the debate where I do think I have something new to contribute, thanks to an hour or two spent Googling for transcripts of interviews with Sarah Michelle Gellar.

I did so because a lot of people in the debate have raised the question of what she, personally, would think about the explicit depiction of Buffy naked in 8.34. Would she be embarrassed or offended or feel violated? The fact that she had a no-nudity clause in her contract on 'Buffy' was mentioned, and the way her wardrobe on the show became less and less revealing over the course of the seasons, apparently through her own choice. She also criticised the amount of sex in the Season 6 storyline - although there was some debate over what exactly she said. My search for interviews began with that; I wanted to see if I could find her exact words recorded. (I'm a historian by training. Checking for primary sources whenever possible has become ingrained. *g*)

As it happened, I didn't find an account of her talking about Season 6. I found something else instead... something which on first reading left me completely gobsmacked. In fact at first I wasn't sure I even believed it was genuine - it was a typed transcript of a TV interview - so I went looking on the various online video services to see if someone had uploaded a clip of that show so I could actually hear her say it in her own voice.

They had, and she really did say it. It's under the cut, and it might be considered Not Safe For Work given what she's talking about.


This is an interview she gave on the Conan O'Brien late night show back on 13 June 2002, just before 'Scooby Doo' was released. The relevent bit starts about 6 minutes in; she's talking about the fact that she and Freddie enjoy playing practical jokes. 

www.dailymotion.com/video/x55mpw_conan-o-brien-2001_fun


Transcript:

SMG: But my friend Nicole came to New York with me a couple weeks ago. And she had to go to work. And I was really annoyed, because she wouldn't play with me! And like all kids, you know, I have to act out if I'm not getting attention. So I got the keys to her hotel room. And she had her office computer, her laptop hooked up. And so I downloaded all my internet porn onto her computer in the hotel room.

CO'B: Wait a minute. 'All my internet porn'? What internet porn?

SMG: See, I can't tell these stories!

CO'B: Oh, now let's talk about this. What do you mean, all your internet porn? What porn?

SMG: You know, where they take actors, and they take your head, and they put them on, like, other bodies. (To audience) You guys know what I'm talking about. (To CO'B) You must have some sites like that.

CO'B: No, that's *my* body.

SMG: Oh. (Pretends to be abashed.)

CO'B: That's a terrible thing to do. She's gonna get in big trouble now.

SMG: I just -- when the chambermaids came to clean her room, and they look at her computer, and it's just all flashing... butts and --

CO'B: Yeah. And then they call the police, and she's arrested. And you're laughing.

SMG: It was pretty funny when that happened.


So. Not only does Sarah know about the practice of erotic photomanips (putting actors' heads onto sexualised images of other people's bodies) - and not only does she apparently not disapprove of the practice (in fact she thinks it's funny)... she even has her own internet porn collection of them! And she's willing to tell the whole world about it on a late-night TV show, and explain to them exactly what she means in case any of them don't know about photomanips!

One thing I'm not entirely sure of - when she says "all my internet porn" I first assumed she was talking about her own personal stash of downloaded images she keeps for, you know, private moments. Re-reading the transcript, another interpretation is that when she says "my" internet porn she means "pornographic photomanips of me" - that fits with her then asking Conan if there are websites with photomanips of him out there too.

Either way, I think that puts a whole new light on her likely reaction to the images of Buffy naked in the comics, don't you? And no, this certainly wasn't what I was expecting to find when I went searching for quotes by her about sex scenes and nudity. :-)

And I should probably put in a disclaimer here that just because Sarah is apparently completely comfortable with the concept of naked photomanips of actors doesn't mean that every other actor would be. It's funny how different people can react to things differently. ;-)

***

So given this attitude, how do we explain her reported unease with Season 6 of 'Buffy', and specifically with the balcony scene in 'Dead Things'? I can only speculate, but I suspect it was the context of the sex more than the fact of it being sex. She wasn't just acting in a sex scene - she was acting the role of a woman letting herself be degraded and humiliated in a public place, having sex with someone she didn't love and didn't trust because she felt she was too worthless to object and that this was all she deserved.

That's really not a positive image of female sexuality to be sending out (And please note, I'm not talking about the entirety of the Spike/Buffy relationship here, only how it appeared in the middle of Season 6). One thing that comes across loud and clear from her interviews is that Sarah knew that Buffy was a role model for young women, and didn't want anything to tarnish that. So she objected to that particular storyline.

Bear in mind that a couple of years earlier she played Kathryn in 'Cruel Intentions' who was definitely not a role-model for young women - at least not for young women who don't want to snort cocaine, ruin people's lives for fun, and promise to have sex with their own brother if he wins a bet. But at least until she gets her deserved comeuppance in the final reel, Kathryn is never a victim. Sarah apparently enjoyed playing that role, and while she didn't appear nude in the film either, her role and appearance were certainly highly sexualised.

It's all about the context.


Comments

Posted by: the infamous Midwestern subterrainean Explodebear. (hkath)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 16:08 (UTC)
buffy anne summers

Wow, I wasn't expecting that, either. Huh!

Although I guess there is a vast difference between being okay with disrobing in front of various castmates, crew members and cameras, without knowing the final outcome, and being okay with obviously-not-photographically-accurate depictions of nudity that one didn't have to remove one's clothing for.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 16:25 (UTC)

The interview reminded me of another one Sarah gave to a magazine, where the interviewer asked something like "Weren't you once voted "World's Sexiest Woman' in a magazine poll one time?" Sarah was able to reply off the top of her head that it was two different polls, and she quoted the names of the magazines and the dates of each poll. Now sure, if I'd been voted World's Sexiest Person it would probably have stuck in my memory too *g*, but to me it showed her professionalism. She's an actor, and actors' careers live and die by publicity, and how much people are talking about them.

I can easily believe Sarah checks porn sites to see how many images of her are being posted, and uses that to judge how popular she is currently and therefore how high a salary she can demand for her next project. :-)

Edited at 2010-05-02 16:26 (UTC)

Posted by: ms_scarletibis (ms_scarletibis)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 16:13 (UTC)

Interesting vid.

I understand people's reactions to visually seeing the cartoon character that way, however, I think it was remiss to put their own feelings of discomfort onto the actor.

I think it's all about context, as well as medium. As I said on Gabs' LJ, while it's true that visually, such a scene would not be seen, the implication of those acts taking place in show canon would be totally fathomable. Also, note the difference of how much is shown and the context of what is portrayed from the show on the WB to the show on UPN. I'm fairly certain that if season 6 had been on the WB, the content would have been vastly different. With the comics, there's little to know restrictions...so seeing things like this wasn't all that surprising to me.

And I think she meant manips of herself when she said "all my internet porn," and the fact that she had it saved to a flash drive for download use, well...

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 16:31 (UTC)

Agreed pretty much 100%.

See? When we're not talking about Spike or souls we can agree! *g*


the fact that she had it saved to a flash drive for download use, well...

Did they have flash drives back in 2002? Maybe it was burned onto a CD, or she had some sites bookmarked... But yes, that's one of the most boggling parts of it.

Posted by: ms_scarletibis (ms_scarletibis)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 16:48 (UTC)

Posted by: ms_scarletibis (ms_scarletibis)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 16:50 (UTC)

Posted by: erimthar (erimthar)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 16:17 (UTC)

As I remember it, Sarah's problem with season 6 wasn't with the sex per se, but with the dysfunctional, mutually exploitative relationship between Buffy and Spike. She thought it was demeaning to her character... which, of course, was the whole point. But she, along with a majority of the fans, disliked that story direction.

Sarah herself has done a couple of fairly graphic sex scenes (though with no full nudity) -- and at least one lesbian seduction scene -- so I think it's less any kind of prudishness as it is just not wanting her own private bits on public display.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 16:35 (UTC)

While I was searching for quotes by her on the subject, I did find one (from an interview in US Weekly, apparently) that she couldn't see herself doing a fully nude scene at the time but she wouldn't rule it out forever - it was all about how comfortable she felt with her own body:

"Right now I can't picture posing, but I don't believe in saying never... There might be a time when I got pregnant and felt really beautiful and wanted to have a nude picture."


at least one lesbian seduction scene

Plus the incest! Don't forget the scene where she seduces her brother! :-)

Posted by: rapunzel215 (rapunzel215)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 21:24 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 21:43 (UTC)

Posted by: fluffybkitty (fluffybkitty)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 23:00 (UTC)

Posted by: coalitiongirl (coalitiongirl)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 16:19 (UTC)
buffy comics

Heh, I'm not sure whether I find that amusing or disturbing...but I suppose that she takes it as a compliment by fans. I can't help thinking that she might think of it differently if she knew about this cartoon soft-core porn, which is actually being sold as an official Buffy product and is also probably a bit less flattering than manips.

...But that's just me. If it were me, I'd have a lawsuit ready faster than you could say "Them F#@%ing plus the history of the universe." :D

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 16:45 (UTC)

I don't know if she's flattered by it, or simply assumes that it's an inevitable aspect of being a famous actress, that people are going to sexualise you in various ways. It goes with the territory, and Sarah strike me as someone who's very down-to-earth and realistic about these things.

If she knows about issue 8.34 - and honestly, I can't imagine she doesn't - my own opinion is that she'd be more likely to laugh and make a sarcastic comment than fire off a lawsuit.

Posted by: erimthar (erimthar)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 20:14 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 20:37 (UTC)

Posted by: ubi4soft (ubi4soft)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 16:39 (UTC)

Just a quick note about the balcony dailies: there are about 30 min takes of the same scene, there's a take where she hits JM in the groin with her behind, she laughs and JM slips a very audible Unf, there's also a take where she asks JM "How do you like to fuck me from behind" or something to that effect, and there's also the "there's to much sex on this show". It could be uncomfortable to anyone to be filmed in that way, repeatedly. But, IMO, there's to much weight put on SMG's words on dailies basis.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 16:52 (UTC)

there's too much weight put on SMG's words on dailies basis.

In the context of the whole discussion on S8 and 8.34 I agree; it's very much a side issue. It's just one I thought was quite interesting in its own right, hence this separate post.

It's notable that she does look kind of embarrassed even during that interview clip when she's being pressed to talk about her porn collection, even though she was the one who raised the subject in the first place. (And presumably, she prepared that anecdote in advance and knew she was going to talk about it before she went on the show.) I think it's just natural for peopel to feel awkward discussing - let alone acting out - sexual scenes in front of other people, however comfortable you are with the subject in the abstract.

Posted by: ubi4soft (ubi4soft)
Posted at: 3rd May 2010 11:57 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 3rd May 2010 12:49 (UTC)

Posted by: aycheb (aycheb)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 17:02 (UTC)

She also criticised the amount of sex in the Season 6 storyline - although there was some debate over what exactly she said.
The "too much sex" was something she said in a daily, possibly in a joking way. The quote I remembered (and conflated with some Joss interview about Sarah and Marti telling him they'd lost the Buffy) came from an interview I couldn't track down the original of by you may do better:

"It was an interview that was quite widely quoted at the time. I don’t think I read the original myself and haven’t managed to find any scans still online but it was for the June 2004 edition of Elle magazine. The quoted part was that she was reported as saying about S6, "Where I had a problem is when Buffy got together with Spike. It became very S&M and I felt degraded as an actress." The interviewer reported her citing a scene in the Bronze where she was bent over a pool table. This was generally taken as Gellar’s memory of the balcony scene possibly being conflated with the pool table scene in FFL (the interview was in 2004) either by Gellar or by the interviewer."

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 17:35 (UTC)

Here we go:
http://www.mymostwanted.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/65403



      For almost eight years, from the age of 18 to 26, Sarah Michelle Gellar thumped, kicked, stabbed and bled for 16 hours a day, five days a week, in the name of Buffy the
Vampire Slayer
. 'I could go for weeks without having a day off. It was exhausting, physically and emotionally,' she says. 'There were at least two fight scenes in every episode, which meant that I never wore skirts for years because of all the bruises. I was very lucky I didn't break anything. Just a few cuts, slashes and a fracture.'
      Buffy was no ordinary teenage soap; its star, no ordinary actress. AS the loftiest academics, philosophers and theologians have been keen to point out, Buffy was - still is - cult TV. The series not only summed up girl power, as our heroine saved the world from the Forces of Darkness, but it also pushed the boundaries as it explored real gritty adolescent issues. Sometimes it pushed too far for the actress. 'Where I had the problem was when Buffy got together with Spike. It became very S&M, and I felt degraded as an actress,' she says with a wince, referring to a sex scene that involved a pool table and being, er, taken from behind in front of the rest of the cast.
      So is she glad to see the back of Buffy? 'No, it still hasn't hit me. This is something that has been the longest chunk of my life. I haven't even been to a school for that many years. It will probably hit me in, like, three years. I'll be sitting in a restaurant one day and suddenly start sobbing.'

Posted by: aycheb (aycheb)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 22:53 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 23:52 (UTC)

Posted by: me_llamo_nic (me_llamo_nic)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 17:09 (UTC)
support

I'm kind of past giving a piss about the comics stuff anymore, but I would like to thank you for linking an interview where Sarah Michelle Gellar talks about boobs for seven minutes. My life feels somewhat more complete than it did seven minutes ago.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 17:37 (UTC)

I live to serve. :-)

Have you seen the interview where Amber Benson talks about what you can do with candles if you're a girl? That's another life-not-complete-without moment. :-)

Posted by: me_llamo_nic (me_llamo_nic)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 18:12 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 18:28 (UTC)

Posted by: me_llamo_nic (me_llamo_nic)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 19:13 (UTC)

Posted by: Chani φ (frenchani)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 18:09 (UTC)

I think she meant "pornographic photomanips of me".

I guess it's quite different to see a manip and act an emotional scene, but SMG's take on Spuffy semeed to have changed a lot between the time she filmed the scene and the interviews she gave later...

she was acting the role of a woman letting herself be degraded and humiliated in a public place, having sex with someone she didn't love and didn't trust

Do you realise what you've writtent here, what you got yourself into?! This could be the beginning of a fight mister!

Here I can't help reminding you of Buffy trusting Spike enought to take Dawn to his crypt, even after the attempted rape in Seeing Red, and the same Buffy using the "still in love with Spike" when talking to Willow in season 7. ;-)

And to paraphrase Buffy again, borrowing this time from "Something Blue", she didn't like Spike but she did love him!

Heehee looks like my Spuffy fighting spirit is still there...

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 18:42 (UTC)

This could be the beginning of a fight mister!


Hey, that's why I put the disclaimer in there! To ward off attacks! :-)

I think Buffy's feelings for Spike were complicated and constantly developing. I think she started to respect him in S5 after 'Intervention', but the real love didn't come until S7. She was able to confide in him in S6 exactly because she didn't see him as a friend, and so she didn't care what he thought: "I can be alone with you here." "Whisper in a dead man's ear / Doesn't make it real."

She trusted him with Dawn because she knew what he would and wouldn't do, and hurting her wasn't on the menu - but hurting Buffy was a possibility ("Ask me again why I could never love you!") When his response to knowing he was capable of hurting Buffy was to go out and get a soul, I think that shocked Buffy into seeing him in a completely new light, and it's after that that she learned to rely on him.

Posted by: Caroline (jamalov29)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 18:30 (UTC)
Smiling Buffy

she was acting the role of a woman letting herself be degraded and humiliated in a public place, having sex with someone she didn't love and didn't trust because she felt she was too worthless to object and that this was all she deserved. This is how I read it at the time, too.
I do very well remember SMG saying in an interview that she felt degraded by playing the DT balcony scene but I would be unable to tell the quote.

a role model for young women, and didn't want anything to tarnish that. So she objected to that particular storyline. I agree.It's according to me more about how the sex scene is played and the particular circumstances than the sex itself since she isn't even partially naked.
I have no clue about how she would react to the nudity in the latest issue of the comics , but I didn't especially have problems with it , it was merely distasteful.
OTOH , I do have problem with the way a large faction of fandom still whimper over the falling of the feminist icon that her sexfest with Angel would imply,because as feminist icon goes, worse was done IMO in s.6.. but I'd better speak about it in my own lj. :)

Posted by: Chani φ (frenchani)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 18:39 (UTC)

Yes you should because I sorta disagree with you!

I don't think that s.6 damaged Buffy as a feminist icon at all while the comics seem to do so indeed, but even if we leave them aside, I don't have any problem with s.6. But I don't have any time to discuss it now!

Posted by: Caroline (jamalov29)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 19:07 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 19:03 (UTC)

Posted by: Caroline (jamalov29)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 19:14 (UTC)

Posted by: eowyn_315 (eowyn_315)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 19:08 (UTC)

she even has her own internet porn collection of them!

I'm almost positive she meant "pornographic photomanips of me," and I seriously doubt she's walking around with a collection of pornographic photomanips of herself.

I think it's more likely that she just googled herself on her friend's computer and plenty of images came up for download. She obviously knew people were doing it, but I strongly doubt that she'd been collecting it for herself.

Either way, I think that puts a whole new light on her likely reaction to the images of Buffy naked in the comics, don't you?

Not necessarily. There's a difference between fan manips and someone selling your naked image for profit. There's also a difference between roles she took that were inherently sexualized and someone like Buffy, whom she fully intended to be a role model, suddenly becoming sexualized in a way that tarnishes the character, much the way she was bothered by S6.

I don't think anyone can say for certain how SMG would react to it, unless she actually makes a statement - and even then, I'd hardly expect her, as a professional, to say something negative or make a big deal out of it, so who knows what her private reaction would be.

I do, however, think we can agree she was pretty protective of Buffy's image as a role model, and so if anything, I'd expect her to be upset about the way Buffy's being portrayed more than the fact that it's "her" body being used.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 20:26 (UTC)

I seriously doubt she's walking around with a collection of pornographic photomanips of herself.

It does seem a little bizarre. Mostly it's her wording, the use of that possessive "all my internet porn". It doesn't sound like it's just something she randomly Googled.


There's a difference between fan manips and someone selling your naked image for profit.

You know, I sense a certain element here of moving the goalposts. ;-) "She'd be offended by the nudity!" "No, actually she's quite happy with depictions of nudity." "Well, she'd be offended... because the nudity is commercial!"

On which note, have you seen her Saturday Night Live spoof advert for "Holding Your Own Boobs Magazine"? That would be commercialised nudity, and she was quite happy to poke fun at the idea in a friendly kind of way.


I'd expect her to be upset about the way Buffy's being portrayed

But that gets into the issue of whether the portrayal of the character in the current arc does 'tarnish' or demean her, which is both a matter of opinion and a huge can of worms...

Posted by: eowyn_315 (eowyn_315)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 20:47 (UTC)

Posted by: 2maggie2 (2maggie2)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 21:18 (UTC)

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Posted at: 2nd May 2010 21:36 (UTC)

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Posted at: 2nd May 2010 21:29 (UTC)

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Posted at: 2nd May 2010 21:37 (UTC)

Posted by: flake_sake (flake_sake)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 20:57 (UTC)

Hm, I don't know, I'm not sure if I'd say this surprises me, mainly because in my mind there are three aspects to doing naked/sex scenes.

1.Actually doing them
2.seeing yourself depicted as a drawing, with a false body
3.considering the message you're sending

1. I have a friend who's a professional stage actress and she did full nude scenes in a play once. She said that the director had initially said she should wear a bikini or something but during the rehearsals it just turned out that the scene worked way better nude, so she did it. She said, she didn't really mind the audience seeing her naked, because they kind saw her stage persona anyway, but that it was unsettling to have all her collegues and staff see her completely naked, no matter how professionally everyone behaved. Because in the end you'll always, I don't know, crush on one person or dislike another.

2. Nude drawings, manips etc. arent really all that off putting, since you always know that isn't you. I think seeing a pornographic manip of myself would upset me way less than seeing an official photo artificially prettied up for a magazine.
So, I somewhat doubt that SMG would mind greatly about being depicted naked in the comics, though there is the rumour that she pulled the plug on the tarot cards, but I have no idea if that's true.

3. The third thing is considering the character and the message you're sending. There it's a lot trickier and if SMG minded the destructive affair of S6 and all the implications that Buffy used sex as a pill and so on, I think the S8 events probably would not exactly be something she'd like. Since it's so far the crudest and emotionally empty sex scene of Buffy history and has pretty strong rape implications as things stand now + it rises all the questions of dragging Buffy down as a feminist icon.


Edited at 2010-05-02 20:58 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 21:34 (UTC)

I can understand (1): in the audience's eyes an actor is playing a role, not themselves, so it's one step removed emotionally. But to your fellow-actors and the stage crew, they see you as an individual, their work colleague; and it's much more about you than about the character you play.

As for (2) - the story I heard was that the tarot cards were pulled because one of the people involved objected to them on religious grounds, not because of nudity. But maybe that was just a false rumour.

As for 3 - well, we've discussed this before lots and lots, so probably best not to get into it again. At least not until 8.35 gives us more information to work from. :-)

Posted by: The One Who Isn't Chosen (gabrielleabelle)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 21:13 (UTC)
will3

Well, that sure shows us ladies. Guess we have no cause at all to be uncomfortable with that Issue 34 now.

Posted by: 2maggie2 (2maggie2)
Posted at: 2nd May 2010 21:21 (UTC)

I've spent a half an hour failing to figure out how to say what you just said in two sentences.

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Posted at: 2nd May 2010 21:39 (UTC)

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Posted by: Emmie (angearia)
Posted at: 3rd May 2010 00:44 (UTC)
Buffy - Braver Than You

It's all about the context.

The point is that the context has always been that while SMG will play adventurous roles, she is on record as being proud of Buffy specifically being a role model for young girls. I wrote a post to explain the context.


You seem to be confused about the context. Specifically, your point that SMG is okay with her face being photoshopped into porn. This post's point isn't really relevant to what I and others have been talking about at all. The discussion of photoshopped bodies was about AH, not SMG. Because that does take AH's body and physically enhance it, dialing into the message all women get that their bodies aren't ideal and thus they WILL BE FIXED FOR YOU.

The entire context of bringing up SMG is because she has said over and over and over again in the past decade I've spent listening to her speak that Buffy is a role model for young girls and she's proud of that. Her face photoshopped onto porn isn't about being a role model.

Buffy is the role model and SMG cares about her being a role model. That's the context.

Posted by: slakat (slakat)
Posted at: 3rd May 2010 01:11 (UTC)

and still, Buffy IS a rol model. No because she just had sex with her former lover, who I might say has been always a good guy, she lose her status, It's just silly. Buffy did a lot of bad decisions, worst than this, sometimes I really hate her, but this time it's not one of them. I'm shocked, yes, but hey! it's not the first time that she and Angel can't resist a kiss (or more in this case).

In other hand, I think that this post was made like a response for people who were asking how would react SMG about Buffy and Angel in issue #34. Maybe I'm wrong, but anyways It was fun to read it :) thanks!

greetings!

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Posted by: Leilia (ailiel)
Posted at: 5th May 2010 08:14 (UTC)

This whole debacle makes me wonder if we were all watching the same show all these years.

Scratch that-- I know we weren't. But still, it seems so... disingenuous to ponder whether SMG would feel personally exploited, wouldn't care, would love the comics. She hasn't commented on it so you couldn't possibly conjecture.

Buffy is and always will be my role model. I am someone who stopped watching at the end of season 6 because I just couldn't bear it anymore, and this was after watching from season 2 in a nearly religious Tuesday night ritual. And no it wasn't because she was kissing Spike! I quite liked Spike and he was very handsome and understanding and I was really rooting for them, but when Riley came back it was over. Riley looking down on her and condescending her I could not stomach. And then there was the bathrobe of utter weakness and I just couldn't go on. I later watched season 7 on DVD and saw it wasn't as bad as I thought.

I'm a bangel shipper who doesn't like the comics or the space sex, not because it's exploitative or rape or bad behavior-modeling but because it's pretty lame. I hate talking to people who ask if I've read the Buffy comics lately with a knowing smirk. I just say no. It's too irritating. Not because they are naked and doing it, we covered all that ground in season 2. They are doing it in space. Space!

And all this to say, who cares? I don't like it, SMG may or may not like it, you may or may not enjoy it. It's a comic and you can buy it if you want to. Plenty of people want to and that's fine. I don't like the stories myself but I'm really glad they are out there and that Joss is still thinking about these characters that mean so much to me. The Angel thing sucked me in big time but before that I haven't purchased an issue since Buffy ended up sleeping with a chick and I saw Fonzie jump over them on his surfboard. I didn't post about it eleventy billion times, I just didn't buy anymore til now. This is the first time I've ever mentioned it and only so I can say, spank your inner moppets people. The had space sex. And it was kinda lame. And some of us who never watched season 2 or 4 or 6 might have gotten our panties in a wad over cartoon sex/nudity/accusations of rape. Back on planet earth...

Posted by: sugarhiccup313 (sugarhiccup313)
Posted at: 7th May 2010 06:32 (UTC)

Huh! Fascinating!
Thanks for sharing your researchiness.

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