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(Poll) What is pie?

23rd September 2010 (12:59)
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I've been kind of on the fringes of the latest fandom explosion. Seeing lots of long posts with hundreds of comments springing up in moments - like mushrooms - when I check the Internet right before going to bed, and by the time I go online again the next day the argument has moved on to yet deeper and stranger waters. Besides, I think most people reading this know my position on S8 already, even if I haven't been posting about it all that much recently.

There is, however, one thing that's been bothering me A WHOLE LOT about the discussion, and that's all this talk about pie. And I don't even like pie all that much... but I think there's a linguistic disconnect going on here that's blurring the issue.

So! A poll.

If someone offers you some pie... and I mean actual pie, not metaphorical pie - what do you expect to receive?

Pie # 1 - fruit!Pie # 2 - meat!
CCherry pie. It's more brightly coloured than apple pie, which is why I chose this pictureMeat pie. Actually a steak and kidney pie; I chose this picture because it has gravy as well as just pink meat like a pork pie.


Poll #1622681 The cake is a lie - but what about the pie?

Which of the above would you expect to be given if someone offered you pie?

Pie # 1
45(66.2%)
Pie # 2
12(17.6%)
Pie # 3.14159265
9(13.2%)
Broccoli
2(2.9%)

Comments

Posted by: The Mezzanine (deird1)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 12:04 (UTC)

Meat pies, mate. Bloody rippa.

*nods authoritatively*

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 12:06 (UTC)

Having read 'The Last Continent', I suspected that you, like me, would also vote for #2. ;-)

Posted by: The Mezzanine (deird1)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 12:09 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 12:54 (UTC)

Posted by: Fenchurch (fenchurche)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 16:12 (UTC)

Posted by: lusciousxander (lusciousxander)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 12:24 (UTC)
Scoobies by maharet83

Meat!! Meat!!

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 12:50 (UTC)

"Brains! Brains!"

(Sorry...)

Posted by: aycheb (aycheb)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 12:32 (UTC)

Pie #1 is a tart.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 12:51 (UTC)

Don't be so judgemental about its sexual habits! *frowns*

;-)

Posted by: aycheb (aycheb)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 13:18 (UTC)

Posted by: eowyn_315 (eowyn_315)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 16:24 (UTC)

Posted by: gillo (gillo)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 17:12 (UTC)

Posted by: aycheb (aycheb)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 19:42 (UTC)

Posted by: woman_of_ (woman_of_)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 12:37 (UTC)

Being partial to a bit of Apple pie and custard, I had to go for the mathmatical one, but generally it would be Meat. Steak pie, Steak and Kidney pie, Mince pie and onions the list goes on.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 12:52 (UTC)

The most random birthday present I was ever given was a Melton Mowbray pork pie...

Posted by: GingerWall (gingerwall)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 12:38 (UTC)
Buffy Confused

There are meat pies? huh?

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 12:52 (UTC)

Foreigner! :-p

;-)

Posted by: GingerWall (gingerwall)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 13:23 (UTC)

Posted by: petzipellepingo (petzipellepingo)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 12:48 (UTC)
pushing daisies pies by earth_vexer

In America 9 out of 10 times it's fruit pie or chocolate pie or something like that, never a meat pie.

Those we tend to call a "potpie".

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 12:54 (UTC)

You know, I don't think I've ever heven heard the phrase "potpie". I take it people in Hollywood (which is where my impression of US culture mostly comes from) don't eat them much...

Posted by: petzipellepingo (petzipellepingo)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 13:00 (UTC)

Posted by: brutti_ma_buoni (brutti_ma_buoni)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 18:43 (UTC)
And they say fandom rots the brain...

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 10:20 (UTC)
Re: And they say fandom rots the brain...

Posted by: MrTeufel (mrteufel)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 13:09 (UTC)
Proud Aussie

If someone offered me "a pie" it would be a meat pie. If someone offered me "pie" it would be a dessert pie. Such are the vagiaries of grammar.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 14:22 (UTC)

How about if they offered you "some pie"?
:-)

Posted by: MrTeufel (mrteufel)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 01:48 (UTC)

Posted by: Kerry (kerry_220)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 13:57 (UTC)
Skippy

See, now I'm all confused, cos that pie on the right is polluted with offal.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 14:26 (UTC)

I feel the same way!

Also, there are a lot of kangaroo icons in this thread for some reason...

Posted by: The Mezzanine (deird1)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 17:27 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 10:23 (UTC)

Posted by: The Mezzanine (deird1)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 10:29 (UTC)

Posted by: erimthar (erimthar)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 13:58 (UTC)

Yep, to an American "pie" means dessert, "pot pie" means one with meat and/or vegetables inside. You also used to see pizzas referred to as "pizza pies," but that's not very common anymore.

We also have cookies instead of biscuits, fries instead of chips, and just about anything instead of black pudding. (Our "pudding" is a gelatinous sweet substance eaten as dessert.... I think you would call it "custard".)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 14:33 (UTC)

I think American 'pudding' is called blancmange over here. Custard is something you'd pour over apple pie - milk/cream, cornflour, sugar and egg yolks. (And we're the other way around: 'pie' by itself means a meat pie, but you can have 'apple pie' or other sweet pies if you specify them.)

Posted by: Caroline (jamalov29)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 14:01 (UTC)

with hundreds of comments springing up in moments - like mushrooms You like metaphors, too?

Your sense of hmour feels like a ' bol d'air frais'.:-)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 14:36 (UTC)

I had to look up what 'bol' meant... basin? A basin of fresh air?? We say "breath of fresh air"... How do you hold air in a basin? :-)

Posted by: Caroline (jamalov29)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 15:17 (UTC)

Posted by: Lexi (eilowyn)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 14:09 (UTC)
30Rock - Liz - Nom nom nom

When I was ten, I made a fruit pie for Thanksgiving dinner for the first time, and I got the salt and sugar mixed up. It was not a very good pie, but my daddy still ate it like a good daddy.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 14:37 (UTC)

Sacrifice above and beyond the call of duty there. :-)

(I did once put salt in coffee once. Never again... and now I've given up sugar, although the two facts aren't strictly related...)

Posted by: me_llamo_nic (me_llamo_nic)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 14:20 (UTC)
cheeseman

There are parts of America (and possibly other places) where the answer to this question is "Pizza".

That said, I associate the word "pie" with the fruity dessert one. And the word "pi" with 3.14159265 ... and also with sororities/fraternities. (And does anyone else think Dark Willow has the sign for "pi" on her forehead?)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 14:41 (UTC)
willow-nothingonearth

The idea of calling pizza a "pie" would never even occur to me, if I hadn't heard the expression used once or twice. and sororities and fraternities are frightfully American too.

No.

Posted by: me_llamo_nic (me_llamo_nic)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 15:29 (UTC)

Posted by: fangfaceandrea (fangfaceandrea)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 14:37 (UTC)

well I could always read it in Spanish and so, I'd been offered a foot. I still went with the fruity one :)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 14:43 (UTC)

It's not impossible the pie on the right was made from feet, you know...

And thinking about it, I hate to think what you think if you see the words "Pie Jesu". :-)

Posted by: verity (ladyofthelog)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 16:38 (UTC)

Thanks to you and your pie pictures, I now have a desperate craving for strawberry rhubarb pie and it is OUT OF SEASON. Tragic. ;)

Pie does not have meat in it. Pot pie, yes. But not pie.

Edited at 2010-09-23 16:39 (UTC)

Posted by: harsens_rob (harsens_rob)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 04:54 (UTC)

This. Perfect answer ... in America meat pies are 'pot pies' and ergo, I demand that it be so everywhere else on the planet or in space or in any dimension that might conceivably touch America, even if it is only doing so in my imagination.

I have spoken - Good Day, Sir - I SAID, GOOD DAY!

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 10:25 (UTC)

Posted by: harsens_rob (harsens_rob)
Posted at: 25th September 2010 03:38 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 10:26 (UTC)

Posted by: Pam V (pamsblau)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 17:02 (UTC)
LOL

I'm a fruitty person and the pie on the photo looks yummilicious:)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 10:27 (UTC)

I spent a long time finding the best photo to use. ;:)

Posted by: alexeia_drae (alexeia_drae)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 17:05 (UTC)

I'm a hopeless American. If it had fruit or something chocolately, it's a pie. If it has meat it's a pot pie (or may be a quiche, though I think of that as more of a spinach mixture in a pie shell, I've seen some meat pies referred to as such though).

Hmm, almost October, which means there will be pumpkins, which means I can have pumpkin pie!

Posted by: Nicki (peroxidepirate)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 22:54 (UTC)

If it has a significant egg component with the veg and/or meat, it's a quiche. But if the spinach is finely chopped, that might be the most noticeable component. *nods*

Posted by: alexeia_drae (alexeia_drae)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 00:58 (UTC)

Posted by: The Mezzanine (deird1)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 23:36 (UTC)

Posted by: alexeia_drae (alexeia_drae)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 01:02 (UTC)

Posted by: The Mezzanine (deird1)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 01:10 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 10:29 (UTC)

Posted by: The Mezzanine (deird1)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 10:32 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 10:31 (UTC)

Posted by: gillo (gillo)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 17:17 (UTC)
fruit flash

It depends really on whether the pie is offered with chips, a pickled onion or custard. However, the one on the left looks cold, and fruit pie should always be served hot.

Choice number three really depends on the diameter of the pie doesn't it?

Edited at 2010-09-23 17:18 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 10:33 (UTC)

Pi is a constant ratio, so no, it doesn't depend on the pie's diameter. ;-)

Also, you've got me imagining the pie on the right served with custard now. Ew ew ew.

Posted by: ms_scarletibis (ms_scarletibis)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 19:08 (UTC)

Clearly, one would expect option one at the mention of pie.

But it's a bit moot since, more often than not when pie comes up, the person mentioning it would be likely to specify which kind of pie it is (apple, peach, strawberry, pumpkin, sweet potato, chicken pot, etc.).

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 10:34 (UTC)

But when crowds at a sports match start chanting "Who ate all the pies?" they don't specify what type of pie, do they?

Posted by: ms_scarletibis (ms_scarletibis)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 16:25 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 17:57 (UTC)

Posted by: mr_waterproof (mr_waterproof)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 19:22 (UTC)

It does depend where you are from. I was surprised to find that if in the famous London pie and mash shops, if you asked for peas with your pie you got garden peas: everyone (in the North) knows pie and peas means mushy peas.
In Britain a pumpkin pie would probably be the vegetarian alternative in a meat pie shop, and be served with plenty of pepper and vegetarian gravy.

Posted by: Nicki (peroxidepirate)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 22:56 (UTC)

"a pumpkin pie would probably be the vegetarian alternative in a meat pie shop, and be served with plenty of pepper and vegetarian gravy."

Now that's intriguing! As are mushy peas, come to think of it. We don't have mushy peas or savory pumpkin pies in the US (or not often, at any rate), but now I'm curious.

Posted by: mr_waterproof (mr_waterproof)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 21:02 (UTC)

Posted by: The Mezzanine (deird1)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 23:38 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 10:36 (UTC)

Posted by: The One Who Isn't Chosen (gabrielleabelle)
Posted at: 23rd September 2010 19:45 (UTC)
yummy!

*doesn't like pie of any type*

*except cheesecake, which is technically a pie, but is not listed*

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 10:40 (UTC)

Cheesecake is a pie? Huhhmmwhatnow? You're getting weird on me now. Please stop it... ;-)

(I mean, cheesecake has a biscuit base, not pastry, and it's open topped, with no lid. Surely that rules out the two main features that make something a pie?)

(Also, I don't like pie and I do like cheesecake, which clinches things.)

Posted by: mikeda (mikeda)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 11:56 (UTC)

Posted by: The One Who Isn't Chosen (gabrielleabelle)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 12:51 (UTC)

Posted by: none of the above (frogfarm)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 04:00 (UTC)

I'll take the meat without the pie, but you already knew that.

I am blissfully unaware of any latest fandom kerfuffling, but if it's what got Barb not posting about fandom, it sucks.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 10:42 (UTC)

If you remove the meat from a pie and throw away the pastry, is it still a pie?

And yes, it's about how Spike and Buffy are interacting in the latest Season 8 comic preview and what this means for their relationship, etc etc etc.

Posted by: candleanfeather (candleanfeather)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 14:42 (UTC)

Pies? What's all this talk about pies? Points at icon.
English people are strange, really. :-D

Posted by: candleanfeather (candleanfeather)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 17:32 (UTC)
pie

Is stupid. Not my usual icon but THIS one.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 24th September 2010 18:03 (UTC)

That's a magpie, not a pie. :-) Ici on parle anglais. :-p

Though even so, birds and pies are not incompatible:

Four and twenty blackbirds baked in a pie,
When the pie was opened the birds began to sing,
Oh wasn't that a dainty dish to set before the king?

Posted by: The Mezzanine (deird1)
Posted at: 27th September 2010 02:54 (UTC)

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