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(Meta) Timing

15th March 2012 (17:41)

Just a quick note:

  • The 'writers summit' at which Joss Whedon, Andrew Chambliss, and the other 'Buffy' writers worked out the plot of Season 9 took place in February 2011.
  • The Doctor Who episode 'The Almost People' that revealed certain things about Amy Pond was broadcast in May 2011.
As such, for Joss to have copied the current S9 plot from 'Doctor Who' would require he himself to own a TARDIS.

Just saying. :)


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Posted by: coalitiongirl (coalitiongirl)
Posted at: 15th March 2012 17:45 (UTC)

Good to know, thank you!

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 15th March 2012 17:51 (UTC)

I had to look up the dates myself, to be fair. But it does show that Joss and Steven Moffat are alike in so many ways. :)

Posted by: coalitiongirl (coalitiongirl)
Posted at: 15th March 2012 17:54 (UTC)

Yes, though I'll admit I'm hoping that Joss will have this turn out very differently than Moffat. (Especially considering that I was sure he wouldn't address abortion at all and was happily surprised last issue- I can't imagine that he'd take away that autonomy in the next comic without it being an extended commentary on pro-life ideology that Buffy must slay. ;) )

Posted by: Beer Good (beer_good_foamy)
Posted at: 15th March 2012 18:00 (UTC)

...whereas for him to come up with a more original story when he realised that Doctor Who beat him to it would require for him to own a pen. :)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 15th March 2012 20:40 (UTC)

If Doctor Who can retell 'Buffy' plotlines with the numbers filed off, I don't see why Joss can't repay the compliment?
:)

Posted by: Emmie (angearia)
Posted at: 15th March 2012 21:54 (UTC)

And old ideas can appear new based upon execution -- except the execution is all too familiar, so...

Posted by: Barb (rahirah)
Posted at: 15th March 2012 18:35 (UTC)

Interesting. So either the similarity is a total coincidence, or the similarity is an illusion and the story will go off in a different direction altogether, or, (possibly) Joss might have altered his storyline at some later point, if he thought to himself that this was a concept he wanted to riff off of. Lord knows enough people thought there were problems with the DW handling of the situation, and I couldn't blame any writer for rubbing their hands and thinking, "I could do that better."

(Personally, despite this one instance, I think Joss has far more in common with RTD than with Moffat as a stortyteller.)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 15th March 2012 20:42 (UTC)

I'm more inclined to think coincidence, though it's certainly possible Joss (or Andrew C.) did change his ideas after watching DW.

Posted by: ubi4soft (ubi4soft)
Posted at: 15th March 2012 18:53 (UTC)

I can believe that Twilight was pure coincidence (I can believe that Whedon wasn’t aware of S.Meyer) but I don’t believe for one second that that Whedon continued with the same plot as showed in Dr.Who. I prefer to believe that he would have changed his story immediately.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 15th March 2012 20:51 (UTC)

Does Joss follow Doctor Who closely? I can imagine a scenario where someone tells him, "Hey, this British show did a similar plot to what we've got in mind", and he looks at it, says, "Nah, ours is different enough" and just goes with it.

Posted by: Emmie (angearia)
Posted at: 15th March 2012 21:44 (UTC)
Doctor Who Eleven and Amy

Based on S6, seems like the majority of the ME writers' were intimately familiar with Doctor Who.

And the timing really only works when you take into account that the writer's summit was breaking down the basic structure, but leaving LOADS of gaps to be filled in later so the writing is organic.

So yes, DW still could've influenced it. But that really only matters if all we care about is authorial intent. And I don't. :)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 15th March 2012 22:07 (UTC)

I'm sure they are extemporising a lot of the story as they write it; but something this basic seems like it would be part of the original season plan.

And I *do* care about authorial intent, so there. :p It fascinates me, especially when it comes to working out the differences between what the author intended and what actually appears on the page, and how other people react to it.

Posted by: Emmie (angearia)
Posted at: 15th March 2012 22:11 (UTC)

I care about authorial intent, sure, but it's not ultimately persuasive for me in determining meaning. It's just one of many influences for me. I'm actually really interested in authorial intent as I tend to engage in a psychoanalytic which does place importance on the author, but I view it more as a subconscious/unconscious influence.

I'm way more interested in why Joss seems stuck, why he broke his own Seed of Wonder, why the stories are beginning to blend together. I keep seeing him more and more pulling back from writing directly, like creating his ~own work. I dunno. It's like he's stuck in retelling mode to the point that he's retelling retellings of retellings.

Posted by: TimeTravellingBunny (boot_the_grime)
Posted at: 15th March 2012 22:56 (UTC)
Buffy mud Restless strange impossible pa

Based on S6, seems like the majority of the ME writers' were intimately familiar with Doctor Who.

Could you explain that? I'm really unfamiliar with pre-9th Doctor Dr Who.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 17th March 2012 12:40 (UTC)

The only thing I can think of is that the Nerd Trio try to talk to Spike about Doctor Who, on the basis that he should know about it because he's English. But that wouldn't need an 'intimate knowledge' on the part of the writers.

Posted by: Mrs Darcy (elisi)
Posted at: 15th March 2012 19:44 (UTC)
Melody

Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me came out in 1999...



'Course that was without the pregnancy plot, but hey, it's not like the high-jacking of women's bodies is a startling new idea. The important part is the execution.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 15th March 2012 20:45 (UTC)

It's not a new idea at all.

However, I suspect that the metaphor of a woman thinking she can make decisions about her own body, only to discover that someone has stolen control of her body away from her and turned it into nothing more than a baby-making machine, is one that needs telling today more than ever.

Posted by: Mrs Darcy (elisi)
Posted at: 15th March 2012 22:33 (UTC)
Just a girl by kathyh

Not with Buffy, no.

Posted by: mr_waterproof (mr_waterproof)
Posted at: 15th March 2012 21:53 (UTC)

My daughter wants me to say she wouldn't put it past Joss to own a Tardis.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 15th March 2012 22:03 (UTC)

Or maybe he owns a pocket watch?

Posted by: mikeda (mikeda)
Posted at: 16th March 2012 12:24 (UTC)

own a Tardis

That WOULD explain why The Doctor and Rose seem to have a cameo appearance in S8 Issue 6...

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