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Review of 8.04 'The Long Way Home' IV

7th June 2007 (18:09)



Just finished episode 8.04, and (without reading anyone else's comments) here's my initial reaction. My reviews of episodes one, two, and three can be found at the links.

I've read it through once on the bus home, and then read all four comics back to back a second time. I'm still buzzed; I think it rated an Excellent. It tied up the initial arc, introduced the main season plot, and still left us with some big mysteries to mull over. Plus gave us a Buffy moment to rank alongside "I'm pretty clear I said 'no interruptions'" and "I'm standing on the mouth of Hell..."

So, onto the detailed review.

Buckets of virtual ink have already been spilled over the whole Warren retcon, so I won't go into it in a big way again. Yes, I'm perfectly aware it's a retcon; no, I don't have a big problem with believing it could have happened anyway; and no, I don't think it gives Willow a Get Out Of Being Evil Free card just because the man she [thought she'd] tortured to death is actually shambling around as a skinless monster. Nuff said.

Well, except that "Are you bored NOW?" is a classic line. And that Warren's speech patterns are awfully jerky and semi-incoherent, as he jumps about from thought to thought almost at random. He wasn't particularly like that on the show, except perhaps during his final being-tortured-to-death scene. I assume it's meant to show that he's pretty much insane now - although it's also possible that Amy's spells are keeping him in stasis at the point where he died, and that includes his mental processes. Which is a pretty horrible thought, if you think about it...

Nice to see that Dawn still trusts Buffy when the chips are down, however much they're currently estranged. And yes, I do sympathise with Buffy feeling hurt over being told how Dawn sees Willow. :) Also, really liked the drawing of Buffy at the bottom of that page - not all the artwork of her is good by a long shot, but here she looks both beautiful and dangerous and stylishly dressed. :)

I wonder how Team Slayer recruited its witches? I assume they're not Slayers (although they could be - that would be a scary combination) so I'm guessing they came through the links to the Coven Giles and Willow dealt with, or are actually members of it.

OK. Images of people's eyes being held open by hooks to symbolise torture are a bit cliched, but still... yuk. And the next panel of Warren actually stabbing Willow there is even more yuk - although in a way I like the fact that they're being realistic about the sort of thing Warren would do, instead of showing fake TV-torture. Also, the idea of magical bonds that siphon off the captive's own power to make them stronger the more powerful the prisoner is, is a cool one that might well get stolen. :)

The next page with the five horizontal panels confused me at first - I thought the Slayers were watching some sort of TV programme with the five mystical figures, until I realised what was happening. I'll come back to them in a moment.

So, the big reveal of the episode is that Satsu's in love with Buffy! :) Or so I assume. I'm also guessing that Buffy is completely unaware of this fact, although dedicated femslashers could probably advance arguments to the contrary. (Basically, that when Buffy told Satsu to "see me after" in issue 2, it was for hot sex rather than discussing haircare tips). Also, it's interesting that the other Slayers have noticed Buffy's attention to Satsu's hair, enough to wind her up about it. The scene where Satsu was preparing was kind of fascinating too: there was some friendly banter between her and Leah, but there seemed an undertone of awkwardness too; and Rowena looked really upset (and possibly jealous) that she hadn't been chosen for the mission. The panel where Satsu's eyes are reflected back in the blade of her katana was pretty powerful - and on a different note, I just loved that Buffy's main concern just before this huge fight against unknown odds was to borrow some lip gloss. For all the comment about her wearing ugly combat boots and kevlar body armour these days, she's still the same old Buffy underneath. :)

Now for Willow's mystical allies. This is fascinating, and something I'm eager to learn more about. I assume she encountered them during her year away from the others - and it's interesting to meet powerful entities who are apparently on the side of good; not just in an abstract and morally dubious Powers-That-Be sense, but beings who show actual compassion and caring. My guess is that they're either linked to the Coven and white magic, or that they're somehow linked to the Guardians we encountered at the end of season 7.

As for individual identities, we have a tree, a hairy werewolf-like creature, a water elemental (who seems particularly fond of Willow, and is the spokeswoman), someone made of mathematical formulae, and the rather abstracted figure in a red checked dress. They all seem to be female. My first guess was that they represent the Chinese elements - wood (the tree), earth (the shaggy one), water (this one's obvious), fire (the red dress one) and metal (the mathematical one does seem to be stamped out of a flat sheet of silvery metal). Alternatively, maybe they're elements of Willow's psyche - the maths one is obviously her intelligence, the tree might represent the strength of her core being (especially if it's a willow tree...),  the werewolf her latent heterosexual side ( ;-) ) or perhaps her passionate and angry side, the water her dominant personality (since she's the one who does most of the talking), and the red, with her long straight hair and slightly anxious expression, might represent Willow's teenage insecurity and nerdiness.

Back to the action, and despite Amy's words (which were funny) the big gizmo doesn't look *that* phallic. :) Liked the teasing between Buffy and Xander. He has grown into a leader (which we saw happening in seasons 5 - 7), and usually (not always) knows what he's doing and isn't afraid to be assertive; but it's also clear that Buffy isn't intimidated by this and can even joke about it (and roll her eyes in the next panel...). I'm going to predict that some readers thought he actually was giving Buffy orders and she was obeying them - and said readers are doubtless getting all outraged and furious even as I write - but it was obvious to me that she was eing sarcastic, and it's clear who's actually in charge.

"Sound off! Who's hurt? Stay calm, dammit!"  "No. Panic." isn't *the* Buffy line I mentioned at the start, but it's close. And while six consecutive panels of fight scene with no dialogue aren't the most interesting thing for me (neither were the big fight scenes in the TV show, for that matter) I've got to admit that there's just something about seeing two girls taking on 30+ fully armed soldiers and kicking their butts. And as I said in my review last time, you really don't want to get Buffy pissed off with you, or bad things will happen. "We tried to be nice here"...

Another mystery; what exactly did Willow do? Does it have anything to do with her eyes now being blue, and Buffy's apparently being green in this scene - maybe they've swapped? :) (I know, Buffy's eyes aren't blue either).

Actually, my deduction is that the "part of her" that's with Willow all the time is the Scythe, on account of the spell that Willow cast in 'Chosen' - the Scythe is linked to all the Slayers, and Willow's linked to them through it. The green object that starts materialising out of light in Willow's hands looked vaguely Scythe-like, and she's holding it in the same position Buffy's holding the real Scythe. The fact that Willow's speech-bubble is emerging from Buffy's head in the next panel looked at first like an artist's mistake, but I take it that Willow is transferring her consciousness (and magical ability) into Buffy through that link, so they can fight Amy.

It is a shared fight, incidentally, because the knowledge of Amy's dreamspace comes from Buffy, but the power to create the image of Catherine Madison comes from Willow. They're working together. Also, I totally called that Catherine would be important plot-wise to Amy, although from her reaction, probably not because the First was taking her shape... Oh, and I presume Amy teleported away from the grenade just in time, grabbed Warren and ran, but this took too much of her mojo to continue the fight... Is it a continuity error that Satsu's holding the Scythe in one panel? I suppose it's possible that Buffy dropped it to rush over to Willow, and Satsu caught it. She is holding it in her left hand, which supports that theory - I guess her own sword is in her right hand.

I also guess that when Buffy says "Nnnaaah!" she's seeing what Warren did to Willow, in the next panel when Willow's hand comes up she's about to borrow some of Buffy's strength, or is maybe just checking it's her (because, presumably, she's got no working eyes at this point), and by the time we turn the page, she's magically healed herself back to normal.

I wondered what the sqiggly brown stuff was in the control room scene for a while, until I worked out it was dust being shaken down from the ceiling by Dawn jumping up and down. Which, incidentally, is a cute image.

And the 'antique Roman' XXX thing turned out to be a reference to cell 30 after all, just as predicted. The fact that Ethan would be dead was not predicted, however. *Sniff*. Wonder if he's really gone forever? Natural human death, so presumably he can't be resurrected (it may well be significant that we were reminded of that rule in this very comic, when the Elemental Spirit Thingies told Willow she couldn't bring herself back from a natural death. Incidentally, who else caught the implication that Willow now *could* return from a mystical death? See also, Kennedy - as mentioned last month.) Lots of groundwork being laid down here. If Ethan does show up again, I guess it'll be via Buffy's dreams, as part of his soul got tied into her dreamspace as a result of his spell. Bet she'll just love that...

And finally, the big confrontation and reveal. Ethan's comment about "Twilight is falling" in #3 is echoed by General Voll saying "Twilight is coming" here, and I think it's now definite that "Twilight" is the name for the "Beautiful Sunset" cult we met in #1. (Incidentally, I just want to point out that it was Buffy who recognised the scar as being a picture of a sunset; another point for Slayer intuition). Interesting too that Buffy initially assumes that it's a patriarchy -v- feminism equation, until Voll explains.

I love the idea that in the eyes of Twilight, Buffy is no better than the demons and the forces of darkness - because it's not something you can dismiss as just a delusion. The Slayer power really does come from demonic origins; and Slayers really do have a lust for violence and killing. It makes them hungry and horny. Not to mention that while the Slayer Spell might have been presented as liberation and an actualisation of female potential, it can also indeed be seen as an attempt to create an all-powerful race of Übermenschen. (That, I recall, was Arbitrar of Quality's main objection to the plot of 'Chosen'.) And since any review of a genre TV show or comic is improved by a quote from Nietzsche, here it is:

"He who fights with monsters should take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze too long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."

That's a powerful philosophical idea for the series to have to grapple with, don't you think?

And then we get the final scene. "Oh. . . Kay." That, and Buffy's expressions, just send shivers. This was the line I was referring to at the start. :)

Rating: excellent.  
Also: definitely canon. ;-)

Comments

Posted by: Chani φ (frenchani)
Posted at: 7th June 2007 17:31 (UTC)

I'm so angry.

Ethan is dead? My beloved Ethan is dead. And he didn't even die in Giles' arms or with Giles being near him? Did Giles even hear about it and react?
Ethan belonged to Giles' journey not to Buffy's! Ethan was to Giles what Messala was to Judas Ben Hur. Bringing Ethan back on the comics to serve Buffy's storyline and make him die like that went against everything we saw on screen.

From now on I shall live in denial and say that this comic thing is not canon.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 7th June 2007 18:22 (UTC)

Denial's not healthy, you know...

It did seem a rather abrupt end to a popular recurring character - but like I said in the review, I'm not convinced he's gone forever. Not after we've spent two issues showing how he can access Buffy's dreamspace like that.

Although I'll admit that if he's a noncorporeal figment of Buffy's dreams in future episodes, the chances of hot Rupert-on-Ethan action are reduced somewhat. Mind you, if Ethan found his way into Giles's dreamspace and started giving him constant sexual fantasies, that could certainly have fanfic potential...

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Posted by: aycheb (aycheb)
Posted at: 7th June 2007 18:50 (UTC)

We are spookily on the same page (that last page especially):-) And wow did you call it with Catherine/Amy (I am terrible at fic feedback, consider this a blanket endorsement wit special mention for the way it ended with Amy just that little less repulsed by Warren).

With the monstrousness I wonder if part of where they're going is to match up with Fray and the question of whether the Slayers can/will give up their powers once the demons have left. At the very least the Voll philosophy is a credible enough alternative to Buffy's to give all our heroes some pause.

Unrleatedly I also wonder if by cutting out Willow's brain Warren was proving as bad a shot as ever because he should have aimed for her spirit. But then it was her heart that the spirits gave refuge to.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 7th June 2007 19:04 (UTC)

I wonder if part of where they're going is to match up with Fray and the question of whether the Slayers can/will give up their powers once the demons have left.

Now that would be fascinating. As I recall, Fray's backstory mentioned that after the final apocalyptic confrontation in the 21st century, not only all demons but also all magic was banished from the world. I've always assumed that Willow must have been a big part of making that happen - but that by banishing the magic, she would also have to give up all her own power - or leave this dimension forever. Given how powerful Willow is now in S8, that'd be a huge sacrifice for her to have to make.

Oh, and thanks for the feedback! :)

Posted by: 2maggie2 (2maggie2)
Posted at: 7th June 2007 19:02 (UTC)

Great review. Thanks. I agree that Voll's concerns are legitimate. Actually, if I were plotting out a season 8, the temptation for slayers to go dark (very dark) would have been a central theme. So it's cool that the apparent bad guy has a real point. It would be super cool if the ensuing conflict between Buffy and the Twilight gang prevents her from seeing the dangers lurking among the slayers. If this line gets followed, I'm probably going to end up being a big fan.

Still completely befuddled about the Dawn/Willow Mommy thing, though.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 7th June 2007 19:09 (UTC)

Thanks!

I didn't go into the Willow-Dawn thing here because I've talked about it before, but basically: Dawn saw Tara as a mother-figure, there's no argument about that. Willow was Tara's partner (and pretty much joined to her at the hip) so by default, Willow was also Dawn's parent figure. She wasn't particularly motherly, I'll grant you - she was always encouraging Dawn to get into mischief, and perhaps was more like an older sister or disreputable uncleaunt in that respect - but the English language doesn't yet have a word for "parent figure married to your mother who is herself also female", so "mom" has to do. :)

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Posted by: lusciousxander (lusciousxander)
Posted at: 7th June 2007 19:37 (UTC)

Also: definitely canon. ;-)

Got that right. ;) Lovely post. Nice to see positive analysis of these comics intead of the usual the art sucks and this isn't what my Buffy is gonna do arguments.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 7th June 2007 20:56 (UTC)

Got to say I'm actually getting used to the artwork. I won't say I love it, but it's not distracting me from the story. Which I'm liking.

Posted by: arkeus (arkeus)
Posted at: 7th June 2007 22:28 (UTC)

Hey, liked it. Good comments. About the "spirits", they could simply be the different aspect of willow's personalities as you have mentionneed, or else the spirits closest to willow in personality, or else the could be how willow interpret them, because they transcend human's view :p

Oh, and about willow giving up her power, i don't think that's possible. The power's part of her, i think, so she'll have to go away.

Of course, there is no prrof that anybody may not learn magic, so willwo could be the pioneer to a new school subject :p

About the slaer's having demons in them, i agree that the shadowmen did do that to the first slayer, but i don't think that's what happened to buffy, and even less to the newer slayers.

If it was a demon spirit giving her strength, why did buffy kept it once it went into kendra? Simple: it doesn't give her strength i think, but mold her aura in order ot augment her capacity.

As to the new slayers, it is canon it was a pure light spell that did it, hence no demon contamination. It may have been a pure light spirit instead.

Hence, voll is bullshitting us.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 8th June 2007 20:12 (UTC)

The way I envisaged "Willow giving up her magic" was her casting a spell that made it impossible for anyone, ever, to use magic again in our dimension. That would either kill her, or turn her back into a normal woman (it would do the same to Buffy and the other Slayers too, of course). That's my interpretation of what happened in the world of 'Fray', at any rate.

It's an interesting thought that the Slayer demon somehow awoke the Slayer's own powers, or altered them in some way, rather than simeply possessing them or somthing. Alternatively, I've suggested
before that the original demon that empowered the First Slayer was so changed by the experience of inhabiting so many Slayers over the millennia, that it started thinking like a human, became redeemed, and turned into a power of good. But that's possibly a radical interpretation of the text. :)

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Posted by: fangfaceandrea (fangfaceandrea)
Posted at: 8th June 2007 01:12 (UTC)
seduction from DT

good job explaining some of those confuzing.I hadn't thought about many of them.

Mmm I liked this issue. I loved Buffy kicking ass, and the samll moments you mention like dawn jumping and Buffy rolling her eyes at Xander. hhee. But I totally have to agree that that last panel was cool It really did something to me. I'm kind of seeing the linght at the end of the s8 tunnel.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 8th June 2007 20:14 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm definitely enjoying these, for all their admitted weak spots.

Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: 8th June 2007 07:44 (UTC)
swimming

Interesting review.

Now for Willow's mystical allies. This is fascinating, and something I'm eager to learn more about. I assume she encountered them during her year away from the others - and it's interesting to meet powerful entities who are apparently on the side of good; not just in an abstract and morally dubious Powers-That-Be sense, but beings who show actual compassion and caring. My guess is that they're either linked to the Coven and white magic, or that they're somehow linked to the Guardians we encountered at the end of season 7.

I've got the impression that this is the continuation of the scene in "Lessons" where Willow says "It's all connected. The root
systems, the molecules, the energy... everything's connected." (I wonder if we'll see miss Harkness who taught her).

The fact that Ethan would be dead was not predicted, however. *Sniff*. Wonder if he's really gone forever? Natural human death, so presumably he can't be resurrected

I'm clinging to straws (is there such expression in English?) and tell myself that light and shadow in Ethan's cell are weird and unnatural - hence, it could be a hallucination created by Ethan to convince the world that he's dead.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 8th June 2007 20:21 (UTC)

Kind and compassionate nature spirits certainly do seem like the sort of entities that the Coven would have dealings with. I mentioned the Guardians as well because the one who spoke to Buffy in 'End of Days' seemed ot have a similar personaility to the Water Elemental here.

"Clutching at straws" is the usual way of saying it, but yes, it's a familiar expression. It's possible, of coure, although I prefer my theory. :) When Voll says that Ethan was the only one that could help them, it would be a bit of an anticlimax if he just pops up next issue saying "Surprise! I wasn't dead!" After Warren, I think that would be the last straw for a lot of people... But using the dreamspace idea to let him contact her again would fit the story pretty well, I think.

As long as they don't turn him into Obi-wan Kenobi. :)

Posted by: arkeus (arkeus)
Posted at: 8th June 2007 20:26 (UTC)

Posted by: Shapinglight (shapinglight)
Posted at: 8th June 2007 08:55 (UTC)

Interesting review. The comic did absolutely nothing for me but I'm glad it works for some people.

I did think General Voll had a point and it would be interesting to see the Slayers' connection to demons explored more fully but the whole at war with humanity thing - I just feel I've read it before so many times in the X-Men.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 8th June 2007 20:22 (UTC)

It's perhaps fortunate that I know very little about the X-men (I've seen one of the films - I think the second - during a long-haul flight one time. Never read the comics). So the whole philosophical idea Voll presents is all shiny and new for me. :)

Posted by: Shapinglight (shapinglight)
Posted at: 8th June 2007 20:30 (UTC)

Posted by: lilred26x (lilred26x)
Posted at: 8th June 2007 13:26 (UTC)

Very nice review! I really enjoy reading your take on the comics.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 8th June 2007 20:23 (UTC)

I try to provide an alternative voice. :) Thanks!

Posted by: puguita (puguita)
Posted at: 11th June 2007 23:04 (UTC)
btvs - x watcher

I always read your reviews for every new issue. It's always nice to read your commentary. So thanks!

Posted by: bishopcruz (bishopcruz)
Posted at: 2nd July 2007 02:10 (UTC)
The kiss and Satsu

I think it may be a little to early to assume that Satsu is the kisser. Mainly because of the fact that going over issue #3 she is not in the room. Or shown anywhere near Buffy. The other two Alpha slayers are, along with a bunch of others. But Satsu is oddly absent.

I'm not saying for sure it is a misdirect, but if it isn't I have to say the kiss scene had horrible blocking. The way it was drawn, it basically limits the kissers to Xander (most likely), Willow, Leah or Rowena (their positioning makes it a stretch.)

Isn't it weird that the suspected kisser would be one of the only major characters NOT clearly shown in Buffy's Room?

The cinnamon lip is likely just be a red herring. We'll hopefully know for sure soon.

Fun review though.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 2nd July 2007 10:08 (UTC)
Re: The kiss and Satsu

Actually, to my mind the fact that Satsu isn't shown in the pictures is a big clue that it was her. This is the only scene in all four comics where we see Leah and Rowena together, but no Satsu - making me think that was a deliberate misdirect to not give the game away too soon.

And we never get a clear view of the room to see exactly who's there: just close-ups of the main characters with glimpses of the crowd in the background.

And finally, although Buffy's bed looks to be against the wall here, in #2 we saw Amy and Xander standing on either side of it: so there's room for somebody (such as Satsu) to slip through the gap between the bed and the wall on the opposite side of it to where Willow and Xander are standing.

Posted by: ((Anonymous))
Posted at: 2nd July 2007 15:19 (UTC)
Re: The kiss and Satsu

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 2nd July 2007 17:55 (UTC)
Re: The kiss and Satsu

Posted by: chianazhaan (chianazhaan)
Posted at: 1st July 2011 20:12 (UTC)

It's fun to read a review like this after having read the whole season 8. The expectations that you express. The predictions. And the details you catch and I missed.

Posted by: Beer Good (beer_good_foamy)
And, again, there had better be some fallout from the whole Warren/Amy thing, or it will even have been a useless B-plot.


That seems to have been a correct prediction. Warren is not just a retcon. But a bad retcon. And a pointless retcon.

But also a great death scene!

As to general Voll. Sounds very much like Caleb. Complete with the religious craziness.

And what's with the "genocide on demons is out", "genocide on slayers is in" message?

I love the idea that in the eyes of Twilight, Buffy is no better than the demons and the forces of darkness - because it's not something you can dismiss as just a delusion. The Slayer power really does come from demonic origins; and Slayers really do have a lust for violence and killing. It makes them hungry and horny. Not to mention that while the Slayer Spell might have been presented as liberation and an actualisation of female potential, it can also indeed be seen as an attempt to create an all-powerful race of Übermenschen.

But it raises the question how the General knows that? Are they guessing? Do they know the true origins of the slayer? And if yes, how do they know? Because I'm pretty sure Buffy hardly told anyone about that.

Also, while the general probably wants to eradicate all demons, the reader knows that not all demons are created equal. Some are living peacefully among us. It makes me wonder what kind of demon the first slayer was infused with. Some kind of apex predator demon; one that hunts its own kind naturally?

And calling the creation of 2000 slayers a new Master Race is kind of odd when you can't pass it on to your children. Seems to me like General Voll is like a psychopath running the asylum.

But like I said, I liked your review. You've noticed a lot more details than I did. Like the trains and volcano in Buffy's dreamspace. I also like how you made a connection between Willow's 5 goddesses and the Coven, the Guardians and White Magic.

Personally, when I read these comics for the first time, I liked the typical Buffyverse dialogue best. The plot, not so much. Too incoherent for my taste.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 2nd July 2011 01:37 (UTC)

I think that the dialogue, drama and character development have always been much stronger than the plotting in Joss's shows; S8 is no exception.

Also, reading this review again myself makes me all nostalgic for the days when people were excited and passionate about S8, before about two thirds of fandom gave up on it. :(

That seems to have been a correct prediction. Warren is not just a retcon. But a bad retcon.

Why bad? It's true that you could have substituted some new OC for Warren and only about four scenes in the season would need to be changed - but just because something is only a B-plot doesn't make it "worthless", surely? Warren and Amy fulfilled much the same role as, say, Mr Trick in Season 3, or for that matter Spike and Dru in Season 2. As familiar faces they lent some continuity to what would otherwise have been a bland, masked, incognito villain flying around.

Do they know the true origins of the slayer? And if yes, how do they know?

I assumed he did know that, and no, I don't know how. But apart from Buffy herself, both the Watchers' Council and the Guardians knew the full story; and I'm pretty sure that plenty of prophetic, oracular or just generally wise demons and Powers knew as well. Which would include Twilight-the-universe itself, I would think - and maybe she told Voll herself? Or maybe Angel told him.

It makes me wonder what kind of demon the first slayer was infused with. Some kind of apex predator demon; one that hunts its own kind naturally?

My own assumption (as described in my 'Hiywan's Story' fics) is that it was actually a True Demon, not just a normal demon. Something of godlike power, but (like vampire demons) not focussed or directed unless combined with a human intellect.


calling the creation of 2000 slayers a new Master Race is kind of odd when you can't pass it on to your children.

Well, does Voll know they can't? :) And even despite that, the Slayers can certainly recruit new members; there are new ones being Called every year.


Glad you enjoyed the review, and thanks. :)

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