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The History of Middle-earth (chibi version) - Part 154 - Holy, holy, holy

4th September 2014 (17:36)

I remember once seeing a trivia question, "Which of Tolkien's characters has physically touched a Silmaril?" There was some debate over whether Varda would have held them in her hands to hallow them, as shown here, or if she could have done it remotely.

Interestingly, in the earliest drafts of the Silmarillion it was Manwë who hallowed them and Varda who made the prophecy that in the published book Námo gives.


Part 154: Holy, holy, holy


Next time: Part 155

Chibis by tektek.org
Original story by and copyright to J R R Tolkien, ed. C Tolkien: Primarily based on the Silmarillion, but incorporating ideas from the 12-volume History of Middle Earth series.
Questions and comments welcome!

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Posted by: Beer Good (beer_good_foamy)
Posted at: 4th September 2014 18:50 (UTC)


What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 4th September 2014 19:57 (UTC)

Notice that Varda is clearly prejudiced against mortals. :(

Posted by: L'Ignota (lignota)
Posted at: 5th September 2014 00:07 (UTC)
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Varda touched a Silmaril if you believe Bilbo. It says in the "Lay of Eärendil" that the Silmaril was set on the mast "by Elbereth herself." Though it's not like Bilbo was there, so who knows.

/pointless trivia

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 5th September 2014 09:08 (UTC)

Ooh. Thanks, I didn't know about that one.

The two unsolved questions are, did Fëanor let anyone else touch them, back in Valinor before he became jealous and possessive of them? And did Morgoth make his own Iron Crown, or did he have people to do that for him (Possibly Sauron, even, since he was a Maia of Aulë)?

Posted by: L'Ignota (lignota)
Posted at: 5th September 2014 15:06 (UTC)
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Good questions!

Posted by: erimthar (erimthar)
Posted at: 5th September 2014 19:47 (UTC)

Námo: "They hold the Fates of Arda, earth, sea and air, locked within them."

Fëanor: *blink* ... "I am awesome!"

Who were the "mortals" Varda was referring to? Men still haven't awakened... orcs are technically immortal... is she just prejudiced against dwarves?

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 6th September 2014 14:03 (UTC)

The Valar know about Men. They haven't told the Elves about them yet, though, which is about to cause a problem.

Posted by: Garth St.Claire (Garth St.Claire)
Posted at: 6th September 2014 11:28 (UTC)

Always found it interesting that the Silmaril are associate with air, sea(water) and earth, but not fire. What's so bad about fire?

And then the three mightiest of the Elven Rings (created by Feanor's grandson no less) go ahead and are the rings of Air, Water and Fire... why does Earth get discriminated against here?

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 6th September 2014 14:05 (UTC)

Well, "land, sea and sky" are all major and easily-identified parts of the physical universe. The idea that 'fire' is also an element is more of a Classical Greek thing, and we know what Tolkien thought about the Greeks...

Posted by: (bumbleball)
Posted at: 8th September 2014 19:05 (UTC)

"Ahoy, Ahoy! Land, sea or sky!"

Great, now I've got Into The Valley going through my head. And I keep getting it muddled up with the version from the old Maxell adverts... :(

"Ahoy, Ahoy! Barman and soda!"


Edited at 2014-09-08 19:06 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 8th September 2014 20:25 (UTC)

I own a vinyl 45 of that record. Shame I have nothing to play it on...

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