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The History of Middle-earth (chibi version) - Part 252 - Prophecy of the North

5th November 2015 (21:33)

Some phrases are too iconic to modernise. :)

Was there ever a Prophecy of the South? (Other than 'It shall rise again', which hopefully it won't.)


    Part 252 Prophecy of the North



    Next time: Part 253: Doom of the Noldor

    Chibis by the now-dead website formerly known as tektek.org
    Original story by and copyright to J R R Tolkien, ed. C Tolkien: Primarily based on the Silmarillion, but incorporating ideas from the 12-volume History of Middle Earth series.
    Questions and comments welcome!

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    Posted by: engarian (engarian)
    Posted at: 5th November 2015 21:42 (UTC)
    Swordfighting

    Namo always looks so adorable as a Chibi, it's hard to take the curse at face value. Maybe that was the problem - he just didn't look frightening enough? *hugs*

    - Erulisse (one L)

    Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
    Posted at: 6th November 2015 01:45 (UTC)

    Aww. I'm sure he's scary to other chibis...

    Posted by: L'Ignota (lignota)
    Posted at: 5th November 2015 23:32 (UTC)
    stabbity

    Ooh, I was looking forward to this.

    I like the foreshadowing with the text placement -- Maedhros and Maglor next to "and ever snatch away the very treasures they have sworn to pursue," and Celegorm and Curufin next to "treason and the fear of treason."

    Oh, and for a Prophecy of the South, does the one in Boromir and Faramir's dream count? (Seek for the Sword that was Broken, etc.) Boromir is described as a Man from the South (meaning Gondor, but you know).

    Edited at 2015-11-05 23:35 (UTC)

    Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
    Posted at: 6th November 2015 01:47 (UTC)

    Glad you noticed that. \o/

    Regarding the prophecy - could be. But if we assume the name 'Prophecy of the North' was already current by the time the Silmarillion was written (end of the First Age, I assume) it would have to be earlier.

    Posted by: curiouswombat (curiouswombat)
    Posted at: 6th November 2015 11:36 (UTC)
    Feanorian penguins

    The Valar certainly didn't pull their punches...

    Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
    Posted at: 6th November 2015 14:01 (UTC)

    At this stage I think Námo is just foretelling what's going to happen, rather than making it happen. Though the bit about telling them "You're on your own if you keep going" is direct intervention.

    Posted by: Garth St.Claire (Garth St.Claire)
    Posted at: 6th November 2015 12:39 (UTC)

    The South kinda gets neglected in Tolkien's myhthology...

    There were some hints in the earliest versions of the BoLT that the South was the domain of Ungoliant after she and Melkor parted ways and that Earendil would have a showdown with her there, but sadly nothing of that survived into the Silmarillion version, I think.

    Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
    Posted at: 6th November 2015 14:11 (UTC)

    Eärendil's voyages are briefly mentioned in Bilbo's poem: "From gnashing of the Narrow Ice ¦ where shadow lies on frozen hills ¦ from nether heats and burning waste ¦ he turned in haste" so he did go far to the South; but no mention of Ungoliant!

    I did realise only recently that Tirion is actually near the Equator ('nigh to the girdle of Arda') so presumably it has a tropical climate.


    Posted by: Garth St.Claire (Garth St.Claire)
    Posted at: 7th November 2015 08:54 (UTC)

    It's way in the end of "The Book of Lost Tales Part II"(HoME 2) interspaced with Christopher Tolkien's commentary (after the last realized tale and before all that stuff about Aelfwine/Eriol). It's just lists of what Tolkien considered to have "Earendel" encounter on his voyages. there's stuff like mermaids, "tree men", "the burning palaces where the sun lives" and a battle with "Ungweliant"(which was the early name of Ungoliant).
    By the time of the Lord of the Rings, I think the idea was abandoned (though it's always hard to tell with Tolkien)

    Posted by: erimthar (erimthar)
    Posted at: 6th November 2015 19:12 (UTC)
    pic#124761152

    "I am Mandos, and I approve this doom."

    Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
    Posted at: 7th November 2015 00:09 (UTC)



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