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(Meta) The Twilight reveal

8th January 2010 (23:44)

So, about the reveal of who Twilight really is in Season 8...
And no, it's not Edward Cullen.

It's Angel.

Scott Allie has confirmed in a telephone interview that no, it's not a fake: it really is him. Although he refused to either confirm or deny whether it's Angel or Angelus, and whether he's still a vampire or if he's shanshued into human, and whether he's acting alone or part of something larger, or whether he and Buffy will fight or ally, or anything else about the storyline. (Yes, the interviewer asked all those questions and Scott stonewalled all of them.)

Scott also posted this on his Twitter account just now:
Someone else spoiled it yesterday and Joss thought we should address it since the fansites were all over it.

So what does this actually mean for the story?

Well, it explains how Twilight knows Buffy, and why he was reluctant to kill her on their first meeting. It explains how in person he's imposing and commanding, but sometimes a bit of a dork. It doesn't explain why he's raising an army of demons to kill all the Slayers, though...

If he's Angelus, that would explain it no problem, of course. But if he's still got his soul?

Well, have you seen Season 5 of 'Angel'? Of course Angel would be perfectly willing to work with evil monsters and demons, sacrifice innocents (such as Drogyn), deceive his closest friends, and generally be ruthless, if he thought he was doing it for a good purpose.

So what is his purpose? We don't know yet. But there's this line of his from 'A Beautiful Sunset' that bears repeating:

"One Slayer was all right, but all these girls? ...The world can't contain them, and they will suffer for that. I'll not kill you now. My first gift is my last. I know you meant well. But you have brought about disaster, and it falls to me to avert it."

Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that Angel honestly believes that the presence of over 1800 Slayers in the world will upset its balance and, somehow, lead to an apocalypse. He thinks it's inevitable. What can he do?

One option would be to reverse the Slayer spell. And guess what? In 'Wolves At The Gate' his minions were trying to do just that. But they failed. So does he have any other option, except to kill all the new Slayers before it's too late? Sacrifice 1800 lives to save over six billion?

Angel is ruthless enough to do it. Is Buffy? Hard to say... but the Buffy whom Angel actually knew, the one in seasons 1 - 3, almost certainly wouldn't be ruthless enough. So, he doesn't tell her his plan.

He deliberately takes it upon himself to be the villain, to adopt a secret identity, and to become her enemy, all to keep Buffy's own hands clean. To let her hate him, and keep her pure while he does the dirty work that must be done. Isn't that just a classic Angel thing to do? (It's romantic and selfless and anti-heroic and patronising as all hell, and treating Buffy as a child who can't make decisions for herself.)

Assuming all this is true, I'm going to hope that in the final ten issues of Season 8, Buffy pulls out a dea ex machina that allows her to save the world without killing all the remaining Slayers... because as I've said before, if the spell in 'Chosen' was a metaphor for the empowerment and liberation of women, what does it say if in Season 8 all those empowered and liberated women have to be hunted down and killed in order to save the world? I kinda hope that's not the message Joss is going for here...

But until we see what happens, all of this is just speculation. I can't wait to find out for real.



Posted by: the infamous Midwestern subterrainean Explodebear. (hkath)
Posted at: 9th January 2010 03:50 (UTC)
how's the hair [AtS]

I had been preparing myself for evil!future!Xander/Giles/Andrew (or alternate universe versions, or something), because that would have devastated me and I wanted to be ready. Angel is kind of a let down! I'm not all that upset, but I'm also not all that excited. Your theory for his motivations seems plausible, but I kind of hope there's more to it than that. I'm gonna need some serious twists and turns, and the reveal of Twangel just ain't cutting it! I'm reserving judgement on his motives.

Also, wtf flying? Is he still a vampire? Human? Floaty warlock guy? How in heck has he been disguising his voice & body shape well enough that she hasn't recognized him? I mean, sure, it's fiction, they can just invent some little gadget that makes him sound like Christian Bale or Mary Tyler Moore... but at the same time: it's Angel. You'd think she would have noticed. IDK!

Not to mention that that mask must seriously flatten his hair!

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 9th January 2010 14:35 (UTC)

Well, I'm assuming the Twilight costume includes anti-gravity boots and a voice masking device. :-)

But - notice how Twilight's voice is shown with the same font that vampire voices are shown? In hindsight, that could well have been a Clue.

(Random thought that came to me last night... maybe the Twilight organisation was pre-existing, and Angel beat up the original Twilight and stole his costime?)

Posted by: the infamous Midwestern subterrainean Explodebear. (hkath)
Posted at: 9th January 2010 15:57 (UTC)
you wouldn't like him when he's angry [A

It must also have some serious UV protection built in, huh?

I guess the font may have been a clue, but I don't think it's vamp-voice so much as just "this voice doesn't sound normal". I mean, I'd be really taken aback if either Spike or Angel showed up "au naturel" and started speaking in that font. As far as I remember without running to my books, big drooly dino-looking demons speak in it, but Dracula doesn't. I don't remember if the Japanese vamps did. Maybe it's a game-face thing, in which case, Angel would be permanently GRRR. But I think it's probably just some doohickey.

Your idea about Angel stepping in for the original Twilight is just so hilariously Angel. Changing the system from within the system! Because that's never failed horribly for him or anything :)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 9th January 2010 16:24 (UTC)

Like you going from memory, but I'm pretty sure that the Weird Vampire Font indeed only applies when they're in game face. In human appearance, they speak in a normal human font.

Posted by: mr_waterproof (mr_waterproof)
Posted at: 9th January 2010 22:06 (UTC)

Angel beat up the original Twilight and stole his costime
The original Twilight being Spike?

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 9th January 2010 22:22 (UTC)

The original Twilight is Stephenie Meyer, of course.

Angel had to have the costume let out at the waist and taken in at the chest and hips. :-)

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