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Buffy 2: This Time, It's Sparkly

23rd November 2010 (19:02)

Since everybody else seems to be posting along these lines...

  • My Buffy said that 16 was too young to die, but walked to her death willingly all the same.
  • My Buffy told Angel she loved him, kissed him, and stabbed him through the heart to save the world.
  • My Buffy set out to murder her ex-friend, and ended up being inspired by her with an idea to avert the apocalypse.
  • My Buffy was the Hand that joined together with her friends' Mind, Heart and Spirit to beat an unbeatable foe.
  • My Buffy gave her life a second time so her sister could live in the world.
  • My Buffy came through death and out the other side; not undamaged but not defeated.
  • My Buffy went down into the mouth of Hell, and it choked on her.
  • My Buffy changed the world, and when it seemed it had all turned against her, decided to save the enemy wounded as well as her own.

But... my Buffy also defeated a centuries-old vampire lord with her keen fashion sense and a broken chair-leg at the Hemery High School dance. And she looked a bit different then to how she would later on, too. (See icon.)  :-)

So I'm not angrily rejecting the new reboot movie, nor will I be picketing cinemas or writing angry letters to Fran Kuzui. On the other hand, I doubt I'll pay money to see the film unless the word of mouth when (if) it's eventually released says that it's utterly amazing. I've liked most of the non-Buffy things Joss has done (yes, even Alien:Resurrection) and equally and oppositely, I wouldn't want to say I'll automatically dislike any Buffy story he doesn't write. Apparently Whit Anderson, the screenwriter, is a big 'Buffy' fan herself - and if she apparently hasn't had much experience as yet, neither had Joss when he wrote the original movie script.

So in short, I'll wait and see what happens.


Posted by: Jonathan Korman (jonathankorman)
Posted at: 23rd November 2010 19:31 (UTC)

Reading Joss' wry comment, hear him telling himself that his plan had been from the beginning to create a pop culture phenomenon, so this is victory and he should count his blessings, awkward and maddening as it may be.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd November 2010 19:51 (UTC)

Well, he's certainly not hurting for positive publicity at the moment because of this - the question is how much of it will hit the mainstream along with PR for the new movie.

Posted by: Jonathan Korman (jonathankorman)
Posted at: 23rd November 2010 19:58 (UTC)

Yeah. He's got to be thinking these days that his career is very, very weird.

Also, have you been following this thing about the Avengers budget? It's really hard not to picture Robert Downey, Jr playing Iron Man in a t-shirt and big red gloves ...

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd November 2010 22:42 (UTC)

I hadn't, no.

Hmm. I wonder if part of the reason they gave Joss the job was because he has experience of bringing in impressive production values on a tiny budget? (Serenity, Dr Horrible, Dollhouse S2...)

Posted by: erimthar (erimthar)
Posted at: 23rd November 2010 19:32 (UTC)

Bottom line for me... it's morally wrong to parasitically profit off a man's life work, against his will, in a manner that will inevitably dilute and harm the original. For many viewers, this movie will be the first they've ever seen of the "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" concept. If they hate it, they'll assume the TV show was just as bad. If they like it, they'll want to see more of it... and not the TV show that has nothing to do with it.

The prospective quality of the movie is immaterial to me. The ethics of it are all that matter.

Nothing could induce me to see a minute of this cinematic insult, and I wish it nothing but complete failure.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd November 2010 19:53 (UTC)

Well, that's emphatic. :-)

Personally, I'm more in the "Stories are the common heritage of humanity" camp; once someone creates an idea, it's out there for other people to build on, adapt, and play with as they like.

Posted by: erimthar (erimthar)
Posted at: 23rd November 2010 20:03 (UTC)

Once it's in the public domain, or the creator is no longer telling his own stories about it and approves of its usage... I agree.

I suppose it's poetic in a way that BtVS would eventually fall victim to vampirism itself.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd November 2010 22:35 (UTC)

As long as it doesn't start sparkling. ;-)

Posted by: The Mezzanine (deird1)
Posted at: 23rd November 2010 21:30 (UTC)

Ditto. :)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd November 2010 22:38 (UTC)

Given that the screenwriter has been watching Buffy since her early teens, you have to wonder if she's written fic for it under a pseudonym...

Posted by: mr_waterproof (mr_waterproof)
Posted at: 23rd November 2010 23:35 (UTC)

But who is her OTP?
Since she said "this is not High School Buffy", my guess is she's a Spuffy, not a Bangel.
Unless she's a Willara.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 24th November 2010 21:25 (UTC)

Of course it's all irrelevant because the new film will have to be Buffy/Pike... (Bike? Puffy?)

Posted by: Pam V (pamsblau)
Posted at: 23rd November 2010 20:00 (UTC)

Major love for the my Buffy part!♥ That's my Buffy as well.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd November 2010 22:38 (UTC)

Yay! :-) (That bit was actually the main reason for the post...)

Posted by: Caroline (jamalov29)
Posted at: 23rd November 2010 21:11 (UTC)

I won't pay money either to see the film. :-)
This being said the result might be interesting but it feels weird that Joss won't be involved at all in the reboot/remake or whatever we want to call it even if legally everything is alright.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd November 2010 22:41 (UTC)

I know. I'm wondering if he'll be mentioned at all... will there be a little line "From an original idea by Joss Whedon" buried in the credits somewhere?

Also, I bet the FOX lawyers will be scouring the film to make sure there are no elements from the TV series slipped in there... at least unless Warner Bros bite the bullet and decide to pay FOX for the rights to it.

Posted by: erimthar (erimthar)
Posted at: 24th November 2010 03:21 (UTC)

I did some research when the whole reboot thing came up the first time, last year. Turns out Fox owns *all* of the Buffy the Vampire Slayer trademarks. The Kuzuis owned none. So there's the potential for an interesting legal battle there.

The last time Fox and WB fought over movie rights was with "Watchmen," and that didn't go well for WB at all.

Posted by: none of the above (frogfarm)
Posted at: 23rd November 2010 23:04 (UTC)

I feel the same way sort of as I do about TRON: LEGACY. The media try to whip up a frenzy by asking if we're dying to see it or boycotting it in an epic fanrage. I'm cautiously optimistic on Tron; with Buffy not so much. But either way, despite my personal investment -- or rather, because of it -- the reboot's worth or lack thereof won't make me lose any sleep or compose furious posts. In the case of Buffy, it's more of a curiosity, and not in the sense of "auto accident" (of which I have never understood the attraction). No, it's just amazing that enough people are going to give it a try, and it might be fascinating to watch regardless of the results.

(And as a fan and fanfic writer, I heartily approve of the recent statements attributed to Joss.)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 24th November 2010 21:29 (UTC)

I may be biased because I read 'The Guardian' British newspaper, if you didn't know and their writers are mostly all actual Buffy fans themselves, so I don't think the media are trying to whip up a frenzy in that case - they're already in one theselves. ;-)

Posted by: mr_waterproof (mr_waterproof)
Posted at: 23rd November 2010 23:38 (UTC)

If Warner Brothers want to make a new Buffy Movie, and Joss would like to make a new Buffy movie, why aren't they talking to each other? Did they not like to bother him because they thought he was too busy doing The Avengers?

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 24th November 2010 21:32 (UTC)

Did they not like to bother him?

I suspect it's more a case of "Did not like to pay him", actually.... :-\

Posted by: mikeda (mikeda)
Posted at: 24th November 2010 22:48 (UTC)

Or perhaps "Did not like to pay Fox what Fox would be asking".

Posted by: itsmrgordotoyou (itsmrgordotoyou)
Posted at: 24th November 2010 16:48 (UTC)

I'm too pessimistic to derive much hope from the screenwriter being a Buffy fan. Joss wrote the original Buffy movie, and we all know how different the finished product was from his vision. I suspect Warner Brothers will force the new movie onto a "cash in on the Twilight craze" path regardless of what Anderson intends. Actually I feel rather sorry for her. She's probably going to be hated by other Buffy fans *and* screwed over by the studio.

Remember this video from the WGA strike?

Studio exec 1: "Hey, did you hear the writers are on strike?"
Studio exec 2: "The who?"

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 24th November 2010 21:33 (UTC)

You're probably right. Screenwriters are really not high on the Hollywood totempole.

Although this particular one is both (a) a 'Buffy' fan (b) a very attractive 20-something young woman, so the PR machine is milking it for all it's worth.

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