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(Review) Angel 6.01 'After The Fall'

22nd November 2007 (21:29)

The first issue of Angel:After the Fall gets off to a good start. It's tightly written, with just the right balance of action, horror, philosophising about the meaning of existence, and dry humour that you'd expect from an episode of Angel. I'm more ambivalent on the artwork, which seemed rather patchy to me. In some scenes it flows really well, giving a sense of movement and action and managing to capture the characters' likenesses without over-elaborating the details. In others, though, things just seem muddy and confused, and some of the likenesses are, let's say, not so recognisable.

Still, it's definitely a very enjoyable story so far. It's even inspired me to write a full review. :-) Do I need to say that there will be comprehensive and thorough spoilers below the cut? Thought not.

"It all started with a girl"

We begin with Angel's internal monologue, just like in 'City Of' - and, indeed, echoing his own words from back then :

"Los Angeles.  You see it at night and it shines. Like a beacon. People are drawn to it. People and other things. They come for all sorts of reasons. My reason? No surprise there. It started with a girl.
" - Angel, 'City Of'

 For a while, I was thinking through all the different girls it started with  - Darla, of course; and the unnamed gypsy girl in 1898; and Buffy, who triggered Angel's determination to become a champion. And Lilah, who convinced him to come and work for Wolfram and Hart. But from context, it seems clear that the girl in question this time is Fred. It was her death that convinced Angel, in his words, to take a stand:

"When Fred died, I wasn't gonna let that be another random horrible event in another random horrible world. So I decided to use it, to make her death matter." - Angel, 'Power Play'

Now, Angel's actions in 'Not Fade Away' have sparked a fair bit of controversy. It's presented on the show as a heroic act: refusing to accept evil, but fighting against it even at the cost of his own life. Many fans, though, have described Angel's actions as a sign of despair and self-destructive madness. 'After The Fall' makes that even more pointed by showing us that Angel is not only suffering the consequences himself: Wolfram and Hart have chosen to inflict the tortures of Hell upon millions of innocent humans simply to teach him a lesson. Was he wrong, then? Was the destruction of the Black Thorn worth the price paid by the inhabitants of Los Angeles?

This story, so far, doesn't say either way. Angel is clearly deeply troubled by the consequences of his actions - "Ever since then I've been trying to make up for it" - and is trying to make amends by returning to the tried and tested method he's so familiar with: helping the helpless, one soul at a time. One can speculate that he's now a little gun-shy about grand gestures. Even so, he doesn't openly come out and say he now thinks he was wrong... feeling bad about the harmful side-effects of something you do isn't necessarily the same as wishing you'd never done them. Still, I'm sure this is something we'll hear more about as the season goes on.

Back to the review: and the introduction of the dragon, although revealed earlier in the published preview, is still a classic Angelverse surprise twist. Angel fought the dragon, but he didn't slay it: he made friends with it. (And we also now know that the dragon is male. Let's not speculate on how Angel found that out. :-) ) It seems that the dragon understands English, because we see Angel talking to him and giving him instructions; but so far, we don't know if he can talk back.

The woman Angel rescues gets a fair amount of screentime and dialogue, so it's possible she'll become a recurring character. The irony of her comment "I'm a good person! I'm a lawyer!" in the light of Angel's experience of lawyers has already been commented on when the previews came out... but I'll add that the idea of a lawyer wearing a headband and carrying a battleaxe appeals to my sense of whimsy. And she also gets a really good line on meeting Nina, but I'll come to that shortly...  (Plus she appears to be channelling Willow in her attitude to stealing - reference 'Triangle'. Not necessarily what you'd expect from a lawyer.)

Incidentally, there's another classic Angel moment in this scene: the cool Masked Avenger way he flies off into the sunset without giving his name - "Who should we say sent us?" "You shouldn't" - which will, of course, later be completely undercut by the ease with which Connor guesses anyway.

The large picture of Los Angeles in Hell makes me wonder - what was left behind on Earth? I can think of several possibilities: a huge crater, similar to the smaller one a few miles north in Sunnydale; some sort of mystical energy field; an empty desert, similar to what existed there before the city was founded... or perhaps an identical copy of LA still exists on Earth, and nobody there knows anything has changed. Or perhaps Angel is being lied to, and the LA he's living in now is the copy. I hope we'll find out, although possibly it won't be until the last issue of the season, assuming that's when Angel finally manages to escape. (Assuming he ever does escape...) Unless we cut away to somebody who wasn't in LA at the time of the apocalypse - such as Lorne? - and who was therefore not sent to Hell along with the others. Or maybe we'll even get told about this during Buffy Season 8, although I'm not holding my breath for that. :-)

The scene with Burge and his son kicks the plot into high gear with the revelation that LA is now controlled by rival demon overlords ruling the humans as slaves - and that Angel has been forced to submit to their power, at least on the surface. His sardonic humour and apparent unconcern about being threatened ('Always a pleasure, Burge') is another classic Angel moment. And now we get our first surprise of the issue. Wesley! Alive!...no, wait. Dead! And apparently he signed the same contract as Lilah and Holland Manners. Silly of him, though perhaps he didn't get a choice. I wonder what the situation is regarding Angel himself, Gunn, Lorne and Fred, since presumably they signed the same contract? (Though whether the contract Fred signed can be enforced upon Illyria is the kind of legal problem that would take an interdimensional firm of evil lawyers to settle... oh, wait.) 

And so Wesley is now the acting CEO of the LA branch of W&H, or something along those lines? The demons at least seem to respect him as such, although it's not clear how much of his words is an act. (As we soon see, it's not entirely clear to Angel either - he doesn't know how much he can trust Wesley now.)

And now out to Santa Monica, and our lawyer with a battleaxe and her two friends... and our introduction to three more familiar faces from the TV series. Well, when I say 'familiar faces' - the image of the three of them was another preview, and while most people correctly identified Connor and Gwen, the majority thought the picture of Nina was actually Harmony. Including me, especially when she started talking about the humans' heartbeat and smell of fear, and when she licked the lawyer's neck in the finest approved Vampire Willow style. But then we're told that this blonde is a werewolf, not a vampire, so we can work out it 's Nina. And then we get possibly the funniest line of the issue, and definitely the most knowing shout-out to the fanbase:

"Do you have any idea what that does to a werewolf?"
"Makes you hungry?"
"Makes you bi-curious?!"

Nina, you'll notice, strongly rejected the first suggestion, but we didn't hear her reaction to the second. :-) Incidentally, when last we saw her Angel was giving her plane tickets to Mexico. Looks like she either didn't go, or was still on her way to the airport when Hell happened. As for Connor, he obviously didn't make it far enough away either. Nice to see he still cares about family - but what happened to his own? Also, some trivia: the car the survivors drove to Santa Monica has the number plate 1-666. I wonder if that's coincidence, or if all cars in Los Angeles now have '666' as part of their registrations?

Back to the W&H building, and Angel has taken his shirt off... nice to see we're sticking closely to tradition. Wesley's line about "literally giving anything" to be able to move on sounds rather ominous, knowing what he's capable of. Note that Illyria really did lie to him in his final scene: he's not been reunited with Fred even after his death. And we get a bit more backstory. Seems like Angel has been ordered by W&H not to try to leave Los Angeles on pain of some unspecified but presumably horrible punishment; and Wesley thinks he needs to be doing rather more than just saving "small groups of civilians". But since Wesley is in the pay of W&H, is his advice trustworthy? That's a question Angel has to ask himself, and it's pointed up by the later scene of Wesley walking into the White Room, presumably to talk to the Senior Partners.

The golden glowing orb that the demon lord Kr'ph is wearing is presumably important, given that Angel has a diagram of it on his wall. It could be just his personal symbol of rulership... although given the references to "the lords" (plural) I'm going to speculate that all the important demon rulers of LA have one of these orbs, and that they're somehow connected to the magic that's keeping the inhabitants imprisoned in Hell. So the plot of the season might involve a scavenger hunt to collect the complete set of these orbs.

Kr'ph is amusing, if somewhat silly. He's clearly been reading too many human-written swords and sorcery stories about demonic overlords, because he's got the full outfit, complete with half-naked slavegirls (and a chained telepathic fish) and gladiator warriors. You actually feel kind of sorry for him by the time he dies, because he's so pathetic. 

Incidentally, while people who've read 'Spike:Asylum' and 'Shadow Puppets' will immediately recognise Betta George, he's not actually been named in this issue yet. And who knows - this might actually turn out to be his evil twin Betta Ringo, and George will show up next issue...  Kr'ph generously gives the fish a boost to his telepathic power (notice how both their eyes glow briefly yellow, just like the mystic orb), giving him the ability to send mental commands. I wonder if this is temporary, or if he'll keep the ability for the rest of the series?

And now we get our next surprise. Gunn! He's alive too! (Well, er... actually... see the last page.) He seems pretty much in character too, apart from the rather cheesy line about erotic dreams which is perhaps our first indication that all is not well here. And he takes the shiny orb, emphasising its importance to the plot. Also, remember how this scene began - with a link from Wesley telling Angel "if you don't start trying to take control, the wrong person is going to." The natural assumption was that Kr'ph was the 'wrong person'... but by the end of this issue it seems like it's his old friend that Angel will really need to worry about.

And in his last scene of this issue, Angel makes a grand dramatic gesture and damns the consequences - just like the one that got him into this mess in the first place. He kills Burge's son (after a way cool gesture with the metal desk Burge admired) in order to save six humans - and thus triggers open war. His closing monologue is again typical Angel. Slightly obscure, but what I think he's getting at is that W&H think they've got him on a leash due to his guilt over what he did to LA, and so he's unwilling to break their rules again and confront them openly - but they're wrong. Anyway, that's my interpretation.

Then we close on the most shocking revelation of all. Looks like Gunn didn't survive the battle in the alley after all - and given his actions in going after Kr'ph's orb, we might well be looking at this season's Big Bad. Which will be a gut-punch for Angel when he finds out... I assume that the women Gunn is killing here are Kr'ph's ex-slavegirls, who weren't being rescued after all... and by extension, I assume the heap of bodies earlier in the scene are the ex-gladiators, whom Gunn left to his minions to kill. Are they vampires too, or other demons? From the looks of it, they're writing mystical symbols on the wall with the blood of their slain victims, while Gunn is simply having a snack.

So, of the main cast characters in Season 5, that leaves Spike (who's confirmed for the next issue), Illyria, Lorne and Harmony who've not appeared, at least so far.

Finally, some musing about the season's title. On a mundane level, we can take 'After the Fall' as a reference to the downfall of Los Angeles and the disaster that has claimed our heroes. But the term 'Fall' does have certain mythic connotations, especially in a series called 'Angel'...

Remember how it all began - the apple and the Fall of Man,
The price we paid, so the people say?
- 'Thick as Thieves', Natalie Merchant

At the start of Season 5, Eve gave Angel an apple, and he bit into it. Of course the parallel to the Biblical story isn't exact. The fruit of the tree of knowledge opened Adam's eyes to good and evil; the apple Angel ate blinded him to the difference. And in the Bible, God was afraid that Adam and Eve would go on to eat from the tree of eternal life and so set themselves on a level equal to his own (Genesis 3.22), whereas Angel already has eternal life, after a fashion. In the end, Angel's act of rebellion resulted in him too being expelled from Paradise - but he wasn't cast out, he left willingly and pulled it down behind him.

"Looks like we're getting kicked out of the garden, Eve." - Angel, 'Not Fade Away'

In fact, in his defiance of the powers that rule this Earth, and his willingness to take up arms against an unconquerable foe just to prove to them that he would never be their slave, we can see a parallel to another, earlier version of the Fall - in fact, to the original Fallen Angel, who...

...with ambitious aim,
Against the Throne and Monarchy of God
Rais'd impious War in Heav'n and Battel proud.
-John Milton, 'Paradise Lost'

Like Lucifer, Angel finds himself punished for his arrogant rebellion against the established order by being cast down into Hell... but again like Milton's version of Satan, he is unwilling to admit defeat, however impossible the odds against him.

We may with more successful hope resolve
To wage by force or guile eternal Warr
Irreconcileable, to our grand Foe,
Who now triumphs, and in th' excess of joy
Sole reigning holds the Tyranny of Heav'n.

Angel has now taken up once more his eternal war... but whether either force or guile will be enough to defeat the Senior Partners is still in question. And so too is an even bigger question:

Is this a war he should be fighting at all?


Posted by: Shapinglight (shapinglight)
Posted at: 22nd November 2007 22:41 (UTC)
Comic book Angel

Great review and thanks for linking it to angel6_atf.

Wesley didn't sign a contract with Wolfram & Hart. If you remember, in Home, when they all met again in the lobby at the end of their tour of W&H, Angel had already made an executive decision and signed for all of them. So, the mess Wesley's in now is also all Angel's fault. I wonder if that will be addressed?

Also, I didn't see Wesley as CEO of W&H so much as a new liaison, like Eve and Hamilton. Ironically, Angel may still be sort of CEO himself.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 22nd November 2007 23:02 (UTC)

That sounds like a loophole in the contract, if Wesley didn't sign in person. Angel doesn't have his power of attorney, after all...

And as to Wesley's position, I was going by "as the last official representative of this branch of Wolfram & Hart". He's the only one still on the payroll, apparently (but what about Gunn?), so his title is pretty well moot...

Posted by: Shapinglight (shapinglight)
Posted at: 26th November 2007 20:07 (UTC)

Maybe Angel's executive signature was for Angel Investigations as an entity? That would include all the employees, wouldn't it?

Also, this is W&H we're talking about. They'd find some way to make it work to their advantage, power of attorney or not.

Posted by: Kathyh (kathyh)
Posted at: 22nd November 2007 22:53 (UTC)
Kathyh Angel avenger

Here from angel6_atf. Excellent review. Lots of great points and I just wanted to say that I hope you're right about

In fact, in his defiance of the powers that rule this Earth, and his willingness to take up arms against an unconquerable foe just to prove to them that he would never be their slave, we can see a parallel to another, earlier version of the Fall - in fact, to the original Fallen Angel

because that would be such an interesting route to take. I wonder whether we might see Angel reigning in hell?

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 22nd November 2007 23:04 (UTC)

That seems to be what Wesley is urging him to do... ("If you don't start trying to take control"). And it may, of course, turn out to be entirely the wrong move...


Posted by: counteragent (counteragent)
Posted at: 23rd November 2007 01:46 (UTC)
Buffy determined

Great review!

I enjoyed the issue, even though it didn't make me very _happy_ per se.

I never thought about his becoming a Satan figure. That would be intense.

I do NOT think Wesley is up to all good. He's like Juliet in Lost. You can like her, but you can't trust her. Thought the artwork on him was pretty terrible.

The Gunn reveal made me heartbroken. That was pretty horrible. But effective. If you are right about his becoming the Big Bad, then the Big Bad roster would include potentially three of his closest friends. First Cordelia, then Gunn + (maybe) Wesley...being a Champion kinda sucks.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd November 2007 11:39 (UTC)

Thanks! And I know what you mean about the lack of 'happiness'...

Posted by: catalyst2 (catalyst2)
Posted at: 22nd November 2007 23:49 (UTC)

his evil twin Betta Ringo

Funniest. Line. Ever.

Great review too. I assumed that Angel was in a copy of LA that was in hell. "Normal" LA is still going, just as is, and no-one knows the difference in this dimension. Now, just why I made that assumption, I have no idea!

The lawyer had a number of good lines - I particularly liked the "She's tenderizing me, She's tenderizing me, She's tenderizing me" line just before the one you quoted.

I also thought that the amulet glowy thing that Gunn grabbed would be significant - like the Rah-Tet things from AtS S4 maybe? - and that the big smackdown, if and when it comes, will be Angel vs Gunn.

Finally, I agree (it seems to be my day to be agreeable, just for once :-)) that the art work was inconsistent - Angel, Connor, Wes and Gunn were all recognisable instantly but I didn't recognise Nina (until the werewolf lines) or Vamp!Gunn until someone else pointed out who it was.

Overall though, I really enjoyed it and thought that Brian Lynch did a fine job getting the character voices, especially Wes' which I thought would be very hard to do in this medium.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd November 2007 00:29 (UTC)

I like it when people agree. :-) Thanks!

The idea that Angel is in a holding dimension rather than the real LA is logical enough based on what we saw in S5 that W&H can do, but we don't know for certain yet. And if it is, who are all the people? W&H employees playing a role? (We do know one of them at least is a lawyer...)

Posted by: catalyst2 (catalyst2)
Posted at: 23rd November 2007 01:22 (UTC)

I'd thought duplicate as in complete duplicate, including all the people too.

Posted by: idiotnighthawk (idiotnighthawk)
Posted at: 23rd November 2007 01:54 (UTC)

Excellent review. Great issue.

I was most intrigued by Connor's set-up. Does Angel want anonymity because he's resented by the other survivors? To protect Connor's location or connection to himself? Also, was it just me, or did Gwen and Nina both seem fawningly deferential to Connor? If there's a relationship between him and either woman, poor Angel's going to have so many antlers on his head he could qualify as a chaos demon.

For anyone that traverses BuffyForums, I did post a transcript of Issue #1 (and all of Season 8) there under my SN KingofCretins. I don't provide reviews of this detail, though.

I don't know if Gunn is going to be the Big Bad, but there are reasons to think so -- it's hinted at by Angel's line about remembering when they mainly worried about vampires.

I also hope they keep the lawyer lady around, she was funny.

Posted by: lusciousxander (lusciousxander)
Posted at: 23rd November 2007 09:35 (UTC)
Strength of his hero by mysteryof

For anyone that traverses BuffyForums, I did post a transcript of Issue #1 (and all of Season 8) there under my SN KingofCretins. I don't provide reviews of this detail, though

Hey, King, it's Sosa. ;)

I think it'be be a great idea if you posted the transcripts in LJ, we don't know if one dat BuffyForum would go down like Buffyworld did.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd November 2007 11:59 (UTC)


I think it would be most in character for Angel to be protecting Connor from retaliation from the demons he's fighting.

He's not resented by the other survivors (yet) because none of them know why the apocalypsse happened, and he's not telling them...

Not sure about Nina and Gwen being "fawningly deferential" - although that power shot of him with them either side of him does give that impression, I thought it was just the artist being clichéd and sexist rather than something intended by the script. ;-)

Posted by: dancing till the world ends (lynnenne)
Posted at: 23rd November 2007 01:55 (UTC)
angel serious by marciaelena

Excellent review. I very much enjoyed this first episode, mainly because of all the themes you mention here.

Betta Ringo


I like how Angel describes Burge and his son as "Lord of Downtown L.A." and "moron offspring of the Lord of Downtown L.A." That's... kind of how I imagine him describing himself and Spike. *G*

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd November 2007 12:00 (UTC)

My name for Betta George's evil twin seems to have gone down well. :-) Thanks!

And you're totally right about Angel's descriptions... BL has got his voice down right.

Posted by: mrs_underhill (mrs_underhill)
Posted at: 23rd November 2007 05:56 (UTC)
Illyria says - canon!

Great review!
And thanks for pointing out the connection between the orb and its picture on W&H wall - I totally missed that link! I thought those pictures were some random abstract art, heh.
I also was racking my brain over the meaning of Angel's last words - why would he win? But your explanation makes a lot of sense. By acting as if he really was changed, not caring about the human cost of war? I hope we'll get more answers in the next issues as this issue left more questions than gave answers.

Also, my first impression too was that Angel started a war to prevent the death of those humans. But it's not so. Humans run away when he throws that desk down, as demons got distracted. When he throws that stake at Burge's son, it's not to save humans (as they are safe), it's just to start the war. Chilling. And I too ask myself your final question: is that the war Angel should be fighting? It doesn't feel so.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd November 2007 12:03 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm not entirely sure I understand Angel's current state of mind... and there's a fine line between "not caring about the human cost of war" and "accepting that there will be a human cost if you fight, but that the cost of not fighting may, in the long term, be even higher." But where this will end up is something I currently don't know...

Posted by: mrs_underhill (mrs_underhill)
Posted at: 23rd November 2007 16:15 (UTC)
Illyria says - canon!

What makes me uncomfortable about his current state of mind is that he's cut off from everyone, has no connection to anyone (even to Wes as he can't trust him) and is just stewing in his own darkness and misery. And the decisons he takes in such a state are usually his worst decisions. Angel can't function well morally when he's alone as he carries so much darkness in him and so little raw, instinctive humanity. He needs some light, a beacon to keep him anchored to humanity - like he had in Buffy, Doyle, Cordy or Fred (in the end). If he loses that, we get lawyers in the basement or NFA and L-A in hell.
Until I see him interacting meaningfully and openly with people who matter to him, I cannot say where is it going and what meaning to place into it. What seems to be Illyria's outburst on Wesley's behalf in #3 gives me some hints that Angel may be responsible for Wesley's plight. And maybe for Gunn's plight as well - if he sired him. If that's the case, I don't think anything he'll do will be benefitial in any way until he faces results of his actions.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd November 2007 16:37 (UTC)

I've seen a few people suggest that Angel (or Spike) might have sired Gunn - and I really can't see it at all. It's not saving his life, it's turning him into a monster. Angel of all people would know that.

(Yes, I know, there's 'Why We Fight' as a counter-example. But to me, that just show that Angel can be a cold, pragmatic, ruthless bastard if he feels a greater good can be achieved through evil actions... not that he's under any illusion that turning Lawson was a good deed.)

Posted by: mrs_underhill (mrs_underhill)
Posted at: 23rd November 2007 16:49 (UTC)
Illyria says - canon!

But to me, that just show that Angel can be a cold, pragmatic, ruthless bastard if he feels a greater good can be achieved through evil actions... not that he's under any illusion that turning Lawson was a good deed.)
And that contradicts him siring Gunn for the greater good how?
I wouldn't think for a second that Angel would have sired Gunn to save him. See his experience with Darla. And it's even less likely for Spike to do that - see his experience with his mother.
If Angel sired Gunn during NFA it was to make him play a role in that battle - just like with Lawson. Angel showed that he can do anything, go as low as it goes, to fight that fight. Siring Gunn would be in line of what he did to Drogyn, Lindsey and Lorne. The only trouble I see with this theory is how Gunn could possibly play any role in NFA battle after being vamped - as that takes time and the battle was probably very short. But we don't know to say either way.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd November 2007 18:53 (UTC)

The only trouble I see with this theory is how Gunn could possibly play any role in NFA battle after being vamped

Exactly. I don't have a problem with the abstract idea of Angel vamping Gunn if there were some huge benefit to be gained... I can even see Gunn suggesting it under the right circumstances. (He'd hate the idea, of course, but he might see it as penance for what he did to Fred).

What I can't get my head around is any possible scenario where Angel would have done it during that battle. They'd already resigned themselves to the fact that destroying the Black Thorn was a suicide mission: what good would adding one more vampire to the battle do? Especially since an evil vampire was probably more likely to take W&H's side anyway...

But I've no doubt we'll find out eventually; if not before, then certainly when Angel:First Night comes out.

Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: 23rd November 2007 20:51 (UTC)

Thank you for a great review.

For me, the titular "Fall" was Angel's fall. He succumbed to the temptations of Senior Partners and destroyed himself and everybody around him.

Interesting idea about orbs - they could be instrumental to the plot. The problem is, I don't see anything positive in Angel's possible victory in demon war. He will become the king of demon world. And - what next? The top place in the hierarchic pyramide doesn't mean he can change the situation. Angel has already learned this lesson in season 5.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 24th November 2007 12:30 (UTC)

My impression is that there's some sort of magical spell or effect keeping LA in Hell - there's mention of a barrier, and I suspect the orbs are tied into it somehow. They're clearly sources of power - Kr'ph uses his to boost Betta George's telepathic powers; and given how dumb Kr'ph seems to be, I suspect he was just a normal demon until he found or was given the orb, and suddenly found himself a Demon Lord. So maybe either they're powering the barrier, or Angel can use them to destroy the barrier, or something like that. So that's why he's fighting his war: to collect the orbs.

In the scene where he's looking at the diagram of the orb on the wall, look at the previous frame - there are several different drawings next to it. One shows several objects - including what look like two orbs and a round, flat crystal - being joined together to form a sphere. I wonder what that does? :-)

Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: 24th November 2007 15:43 (UTC)

You may be right. So far I presumed that it's another dimension with another sun that doesn't harm vampires. But why SP need a barrier in another dimension?
Hopefully we'll find out soon.

Posted by: lilred26x (lilred26x)
Posted at: 2nd December 2007 16:34 (UTC)

I always enjoy your reviews! I didn't notice the significance of the orbs until I read this. I also can't imagine that Angel or Spike sired Gunn. It'll be interesting to see how that happened. I suspect that Gunn will be the big bad as well. Poor Gunn, he'd really hate that! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 3rd December 2007 20:05 (UTC)


Incidentally, I've noticed now that not only does Angel have a picture of the orb on his wall, he's got another diagram next to it showing what look like several orbs joined together...

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