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(meta) Tagging my journal

1st December 2007 (01:24)

You've probably all seen the new innovation by LJ: a 'voluntary' system of tagging your posts for "adult concepts" or "explicit adult content." This means that those children who are either too dumb or too honest to lie about their age won't be able to see them, and more importantly their parents won't be able to sue you and/or Six Apart for warping their fragile little minds. 

However I'm a bit confused: not being American and all, and so ignorant of the cultural mores prevelant in the jurisdiction which applies to LiveJournal. So I'm turning to my flist for help - this is your chance to decide which of my fics ought to be hidden away from the eyes of innocent and vulnerable kiddies! 

All you have to do is vote: 

Poll #1098207 Tagging my journal

Which of my fics should I mark as "adult concepts"?

The one where I describe someone's arm getting ripped off by a demon.
The one where Satsu is looking at a hologram of naked Buffy.
The one where Willow has explicit sex with 50-foot tall Giant Dawn.
Its prequel, where Willow and Dawn are discussing the sex first.
The one where Angel is introduced to the sexual habits of the dragonriders of Pern.
The one where Buffy has explicit sex with Willow and Tara. Simultaneously.
Its prequel, where Buffy, Willow and Tara are drunk and messing around under the stars.
Its anteprequel, where Buffy and Willow are discussing kisses, in a theoretical sense.
The one where Willow and Dawn discuss what Pepsi Max is good for.
The one where Spike first learns to drive.
The missing scenes where Amy 'saves' Warren (but not his skin) from Willow.
The one where Faith goes to Heaven, and Heaven barely survives the experience.
The one where Faith and Willow have a confrontation, and certain things get said.
The one where Willow and Kennedy commit the cybercrime of the millennium.
The (ongoing) one about the girl who meets her dead sister, learns to hunt and kill, and experiences puberty. Among other things.


Your entire journal should be shielded from innocent eyes!
None of the above.
Censorship is evol!
I have no idea, but I just enjoy ticky boxes.


Posted by: Beer Good (beer_good_foamy)
Posted at: 1st December 2007 10:36 (UTC)

I'm confused too. If it were all about sex, then I'd get it, but "adult concepts"? What exactly are we supposed to be protecting the little tykes from? Death? Taxes? Getting a job? Responsibilities? References to literary classics, vinyl records and early 80s TV shows? Hairloss? Chainsaws?

Posted by: curiouswombat (curiouswombat)
Posted at: 1st December 2007 11:21 (UTC)
K Baby pic

I don't think there are all that many under 13s on LJ anyway - but if they are here, but too innocent to lie about their age, they probably should be protected from anything with big words and concepts more difficult than those found in Primary Readers.

Although, of course, they cover sex in school before the age of 11 fairly clearly - so sex should be OK......but not quantum physics.

Posted by: Beer Good (beer_good_foamy)
Posted at: 1st December 2007 11:35 (UTC)

big words and concepts more difficult than those found in Primary Readers.

That's pretty much how I reasoned, too. I've set mine to "adult concepts", for the same reason that I rate most my fic PG13 no matter how non-sexual or non-violent. While I don't doubt that there's a lot of smart 12-year-olds out there, I write the sort of stuff I'd like to read and as cracky as it is sometimes, I still like to think that there's stuff in it that you need a certain reading level to "get". (Not that that necessarily comes with age... but then again, I'm not stopping anyone from lying about their age either. And as far as I understand, as long as my posts are public, all they need to do if they want to read it is log off...)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 1st December 2007 11:51 (UTC)

Well, so far some people have ticked my fics with sex in them, and one person has ticked the one with religion in; but nobody's ticked the one with a detailed description of somebody getting critically injured. It's an interesting look at the sort of thing other people define as 'adult concepts'...

(Which is a big reason why I posted the poll; I was interested to see what other people would say.)

Posted by: curiouswombat (curiouswombat)
Posted at: 1st December 2007 11:16 (UTC)

Hmm - I don't know all of them - but am now going to have to go and check out those I don't know!

Personally I reckon the easiest option is to just go for a journal setting of 'Adult Content' as I really can't see why 13 year olds would want to read my journal anyway. Maybe I'll get around to it in a month or two. I know this means that people who didn't give their age on their LJ registration will then be asked for it the first time they come to my journal - but once they enter it at that point they will never be asked again, if I understand the update posts OK. So if I wait a while to do it, my friends should mainly have already done this!

There again the chances that anyone is ever likely to flag either your content or mine, and if they do no-one takes any notice unless there are a critical mass of flags for any given entry anyway, do nothing at all should work fine.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 1st December 2007 12:00 (UTC)

I'm currently leaning towards putting the 'adult concepts' flag on any text-based descriptions of explicit sex or violence, or pictures of simple nudity. The more restrictive 'explicit' tag I'd only use if I suddenly decided to start posting actual hardcore images in my LJ (which I can't see happening, but just in case) or if I wrote something which even I thought was seriously disturbing rather than just explicit, such as a detailed description of rape or torture. (Again, I can't see me ever wanting to do that, but whatever).

I don't want to flag my entire journal, only because if somebody looks at it while not logged in all my own lj-cuts (including the spoiler warnings) will be covered over and lost. Plus, if a 12-year old is mature and intelligent enough to appreciate my reviews of the Buffy comics, I don't see why I should prevent him/her from reading them. :-)

Posted by: curiouswombat (curiouswombat)
Posted at: 1st December 2007 19:32 (UTC)

Yes - I can see why there are advantages to only classifying the odd entry as 'Adult concept'.

I guess maybe half of my fiction entries might need to be 'adult concept' - but should the entry about teaching catheterisation or the picture of the small plush penis? :~)

I might go with just the entries which mention sex in any way more explicit than the lessons my daughter had on the subject by age 11, as I mentioned above. I tend not to do violence much - but to me that might be more 'adult concept' than sex.

Actually, discussing it here on your journal makes me think that it is most likely that I'll do nothing at all until I have a wet Sunday afternoon after Christmas when I will go back and classify the odd entry.

Posted by: idiotnighthawk (idiotnighthawk)
Posted at: 4th December 2007 03:31 (UTC)

I've gotta ask... which one is the 50 foot Dawn/Willow fic?

Adult concepts is probably the right tag.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 5th December 2007 00:38 (UTC)

It's Netherlands to Nepal. (which is an adaptation of the phrase 'May to December', if you were wondering...)

Part One

Part Two

What the reviewers said:
"the unsexiest non-badfic NC17 crack!fic ever!"
"So many kinds of wrong this is"
"I love it - poor Willow falling off like that"


Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: 1st December 2007 12:13 (UTC)

Your adult concepts gave me a lot of naughty ideas. Especially Spike learning to drive (in Russian "driving a car" has another, naughty meaning). You definitely should tag them all as inappropriate for children!!! :)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 2nd December 2007 00:03 (UTC)

If you've read the Spike driving one, you'll remember that Dru does, indeed, get extremely excited at what Spike's doing...

Posted by: none of the above (frogfarm)
Posted at: 1st December 2007 19:36 (UTC)

My mom left the Anais Nin fiction out on the shelves in the open, with all the other books. In part cautions -- of course she would be able to see any time it was missing! Even if I was sometimes hesitant to approach her or my dad explicitly about anything, she obviously wasn't afraid of me seeking my own education. Which those stories definitely contributed to, and not just in the sexual realm.

Have I mentioned I love my mom?

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 2nd December 2007 00:07 (UTC)

My parents were more into the non-fiction books - psychology, sociological and historical studies, etc - but yeah, I had a pretty good idea how certain things worked by the time I was about 10 - 11.

I also had some really strange misconceptions as well, mind you. :-)

Posted by: skipp_of_ark (skipp_of_ark)
Posted at: 2nd December 2007 15:45 (UTC)

I said you should tag your entire LJ for adult concepts or whatever the term is, but that's only in an ironic sense. Kids are exposed to "adult concepts" every day, whether it's mommy & daddy having to go to work and pay bills or the joke that the American education system has become ('cause kids sure didn't come up with that one *grin*).

Posted by: ((Anonymous))
Posted at: 15th December 2007 12:07 (UTC)

very interesting, but I don't agree with you

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