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Paleyfest musings

22nd March 2008 (01:09)
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Earlier I was listening to the podcast of the Buffy reunion at the Paley Festival on Friday, and I transcribed a few parts of the talking that I thought were interesting... plus a few of my own thoughts. 


Starting with the question on everyone's lips: Angel or Spike?


MODERATOR: I'm going to take this conversation onto a very serious plane now. Asked all the time. Final analysis, final verdict: Angel or Spike? 
SARAH MICHELLE GELLAR: (Unclear) : Well, which do you want it to be? [OR] Well, who's sitting next to me? 

ETA: Listening to it again, I'm going to go with "Well, who's sitting on stage?" [points to JM]

NICHOLAS BRENDON: Well given the comicbook I think, I think Willow.
SARAH MICHELLE GELLAR: I did not know about this until about five minutes ago. And someone was saying to me, "So, how do you feel about, you know, you know, Buffy's new relationship?" and I'm like, "Uh oh," "She's with a woman!" and I'm like "She's with Willow? What?"
??MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: No she's with a woman. I didn't know either.
JAMES MARSTERS: I'm not in the comic book, am I?

Unfortunately, Sarah's initial reply wasn't very clear, and there are several different versions of it circulating. I've put how the words sounded to my ears. Apparently she did turn to look at James as she was speaking, though...  (And I think James's question at the end was a reaction to Buffy being in a gay relationship... maybe he was wondering if a similar fate had befallen Spike...)


The remark that has given joy to haters of Season 8 everywhere:

MODERATOR: If you were to make another project does the comic live in its own world or do you tell another story, or what would happen if you were... hypothetically?
JOSS WHEDON: Hypothetically, if you could make things align that would be fun. I ended up when I was doing the comic... I wrote a comic 'Fray' which took place 200 years in the future thinking there is no way this can ever affect the show and so it'll be safe. And then we ended up using a little of that mythology with the Scythe - that, you know, that was from the comicbook - and so I sort of felt an obligation to work into that mythology. And it would be lovely to make it all tie in but if I had to shoot down everything I'm doing in comics because... [The podcast doesn't have the end of that sentence, but various articles on the discussion say he finished with: "...we were doing a project, a film with these actual people, I wouldn't lose a lot of sleep."] 

So Joss would be willing to dump anything and/or everything from the comics if he had to in order to do a new Buffy movie. Mind you, the impression I got is that he'd also be willing to kill his grandmother and sell his firstborn son into slavery for the same opportunity, so I'm not stressing overmuch about this. :-)  And there were significant differences between 'Firefly' and 'Serenity' which would have the canon purist up in arms. When it comes down to it, Joss is all about storytelling and emotional resonance, not worldbuilding with painstaking attention to detail and continuity. He has fans (and Drew Goddard) for that sort of thing, and while he tries to be consistent when he can ("if you could make things align that would be fun") it's not his first priority.

On which note, I bought 'Serenity: Better Days' #1 recently, and in a reply on the letters page Joss comments on a continuity error in the previous Serenity comic 'Those Left Behind', where it implied that Wash joined the crew of Serenity to be with Zoe, but in the TV show he'd already signed up before he met her:

"He met her as he checked out the ship. So he could have taken the job 'cause of her. And Warren was dead! He was dead for 1/40th of a second, okay?"

He's not going to forget that one in a hurry. :-)


A cute interchange between Sarah and James:
SARAH MICHELLE GELLAR: I've seen a bunch of lists recently where it talks about favourite characters, favourite shows. I saw the 'best love scene'... it was you and me, by the way.
JAMES MARSTERS: Oh, really?

(ETA: And again: after this James shouts out "(something something), Angel!" "Take that!" sounds reasonable.


And one between Amber, Seth and Michelle:

AMBER BENSON: I had no idea that Alyson and I were going to become lovers... I mean, not in real life...
SETH GREEN: That was later.
MICHELLE TRACHTENBERG: I'm learning so much about everyone.

I like Amber's sense of humour... though it's a bit surprising after knowing her as Tara for so long. I even get the impression that when they gave Tara more risqué comments later in season 6, like the "cramp in your pants" routine in 'OAFA', that was actually the writers letting Amber be more like her real self. :-) On which note, go to 52 seconds in in this YouTube clip to see what she and Alyson were apparently like on set...  (NSFW if your workplace or managers object to video of actresses in their underwear making lewd comments about masturbation) :-)


And in a similar vein later, Amber reveals her intimate knowledge of fandom, and sheds some light on Dawn's controversial "Willow was like a mom to me!" comment in the comics:

AMBER BENSON: I don't think people realised how intense the reaction was going to be to her [Tara] passing away and stuff, um, I'm just really pleased that we got to do it, that we got to have that relationship. And whether it goes on... or it doesn't go on... or it ends up in a comicbook somewhere, or it ends up on a, you know, a porn video somewhere, um... [interjection from audience: Fanfic!], fanfic, really, I'm getting it on with Giles and Willow at the same time.... [One of the panel members remarks that he's writing that story right now.]

AMBER BENSON (CONT'D): I just think that Joss, did a beautiful thing he created this relationship, and that's what we need to focus on, the fact that we had this beautiful relationship with two people, who happened to be women, and I think they had the best relationship on the show. I think... they raised, or helped to raise Dawn, I think they were there for her...
SARAH MICHELLE GELLAR: Hey, I was there! I participated! I was a little dead but I participated!

I loved Sarah's tone of voice there...

Comments

Posted by: hobgoblinn (hobgoblinn)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 02:08 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing this. I always enjoy seeing what you think about these things.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 16:37 (UTC)

*blushes* Thank you!

Posted by: meretrix (laisserais)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 04:59 (UTC)
tara - magic kisses

thanks for posting this! amber benson seems really awesome.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 16:40 (UTC)

Isn't she? I'm impressed by all the projects she's done since leaving buffy, and she always seems very funny (and very human) in interviews.

Posted by: Murielle (murielle)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 06:44 (UTC)
Thank You SO Much for Doing this ...

I'm hearing impaired and techno challenged so podcasts are something I mise out on. Thanks to you, I was able to read this and get a little bit of the podcast.

I can't tell you how much this means to me.

Thank you! ::happy dancing and hugging and general joyous behavior::

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 16:42 (UTC)
Re: Thank You SO Much for Doing this ...

*Joins in the dancing* Thanks!

Hopefully someone will put togther a transcript of the whole thing at some point? Or at least when/if the full video comes out it will be easier to make out what people are saying, if you can see their lips and who they're looking at...

Edited at 2008-03-22 17:11 (UTC)

Posted by: sl_podcast (sl_podcast)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 17:58 (UTC)
Re: Thank You SO Much for Doing this ...

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 18:06 (UTC)
Re: Thank You SO Much for Doing this ...

Posted by: sl_podcast (sl_podcast)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 18:12 (UTC)
Re: Thank You SO Much for Doing this ...

Posted by: sl_podcast (sl_podcast)
Posted at: 23rd March 2008 16:55 (UTC)
Re: Thank You SO Much for Doing this ...

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd March 2008 17:43 (UTC)
Re: Thank You SO Much for Doing this ...

Posted by: flake_sake (flake_sake)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 07:35 (UTC)

Thank you so much for posting all of this. It was great fun to read.
I wonder why anyone still asks the Angel or Spike question when there is obviously never going to be a answer (unless there's a movie and even then it's not likely).

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 16:47 (UTC)

I wonder why anyone still asks the Angel or Spike question

Deep psychological need for validation? :-) If there were ever a movie, I'm sure the answer even then would depend on whether it was David or James or both who were available for it. Or whichever Japanese actress they got to play Satsu. :-)

Posted by: woman_of_ (woman_of_)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 10:22 (UTC)

The Angel or Spike question seems to take almost life or death status for there respective supporters. I know it is a fantasy, but a bit of reality here. Both JM and DB are getting older, and not in the show for it to be a gradual change. Yes they both look good for their age, but it would be noticable now, especially in a movie.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 16:55 (UTC)

I've really doubtful there ever will be a movie, at least with the original cast. A remake with all new actors in another 10-15 years time, maybe. Or even Slayers: The Next Generation with the original cast playing cameo roles. Maybe they can use CGI to de-age DB and JM - I mean, if they can turn Andy Serkis into Gollum maybe they can turn David Boreanaz into a svelte 26-year-old...

Posted by: Shapinglight (shapinglight)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 11:05 (UTC)

I listened to that bit of the podcast so many times, trying to make out what SMG said, but couldn't. However, I've seen two different people say that she told JM, since he was there she'd choose him (or words to that effect) so I guess she said it.

Also nice to see that Joss's and Marti's view on B/A is exactly the same as mine.

I just wish some of the questions had been a little less - silly.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 16:58 (UTC)

Once we see that bit on video I think it'll be easier to understand - at least we'll be able to confirm who she'd looking at, and who the other speakers where when on the tape it just sounds like a confused hubbub of voices.

And I really wish they'd screened the questions in advance, and decided who had interesting ones... and the moderator had kept things moving more quickly, especially in the film-and-iPod section. I agree with the commentator who said that went on far too long...

Posted by: Shapinglight (shapinglight)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 22:01 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd March 2008 01:32 (UTC)

Posted by: aycheb (aycheb)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 15:54 (UTC)

I continue to be baffled by people who *like* fanfic seeing the comics as Joss-authored fanfic as a justification for *not* liking the comics. Yes, if he had the chance to make a movie he’d jetsion any part of the S8 story that wouldn’t work for live action, just as he started the comics by throwing out the whole Buffy-in-Rome scenario.

Posted by: Beer Good (beer_good_foamy)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 16:24 (UTC)

Well, there's good fanfic and bad fanfic... ;-) Not that I'd claim to speak for the "s8 *haters*", mind. Not at the moment, at least.

Oh, and thanks for putting this up, Stephen! Lots of interesting stuff, even if it's nothing we didn't already know, of course. ;-) Wish I could have been there, I'm really looking forward to seeing a proper DVD of this.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 17:07 (UTC)

Posted by: Beer Good (beer_good_foamy)
Posted at: 23rd March 2008 10:39 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd March 2008 12:03 (UTC)

Posted by: Beer Good (beer_good_foamy)
Posted at: 23rd March 2008 12:22 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd March 2008 17:45 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 17:02 (UTC)

Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 18:16 (UTC)

Thank you for compiling these tidbits. And for link to Amber's clip. She's adorable and she's definitely more daring and sassy than Tara. I wonder if Joss planned to use these qualities in season 7 for post-resurrection Tara... *sigh*

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd March 2008 01:35 (UTC)

Maybe... but I agree with Amber that Kennedy was a good thing for Willow in season 7. ;-)

Posted by: JG (jgracio)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 20:32 (UTC)

Is it news that Joss would jettison stuff if it didn't fit with whatever story he wanted to tell in the future?

News? Huh? In fact I think I've read about him saying he'd ignore S8 if it didn't fit with a TV or movie continuation before.

People's enjoyment of S8 shouldn't be dependent on it being future Canon or not, but on the story.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd March 2008 01:39 (UTC)

He has said it before, but not in front of so many people...

And I sort of agree with you that the story is what matters... but then again, unlike Joss I am invested in the consistent worldbuilding, and it's not as much fun working out all the connections and parallels between things if you think they're likely to be changed without notice at some future date...

Posted by: Cordykitten (cordykitten)
Posted at: 22nd March 2008 21:22 (UTC)
cordykitten

Thank you for sharing this :)
I listened to the podcast earlier this day and had problems hearing it all clearly because the cheering of the fans was so loud :)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd March 2008 01:41 (UTC)

It's unfortunate that the sort of person who's enthusiastic enough to record a podcast is also the sort of person who's going to be enthusiastic ehough to want to shout and cheer loudly at frequent intervals. ;-)

(Or was that someone sat in front?)

Posted by: Cordykitten (cordykitten)
Posted at: 23rd March 2008 10:00 (UTC)

Posted by: noitall_herm (noitall_herm)
Posted at: 27th April 2008 00:54 (UTC)

Actually, James said "Am I in the comic books?" then when he heard yes from the audience he slid down in his chair.

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