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22nd April 2008 (21:18)
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I posted a shorter version of this on BuffyForums, but I'd be interested in my flist's suggestions too...

If Buffy is King Arthur (and the Scythe is Excalibur), then...

  • Giles is Merlin, the wise mentor who guides her when she's young but later disappears from her life.
  • Willow is Nimue, the sorceress who supplants Merlin and takes over as Arthur's mystical advisor.
  • Xander is... um, Sir Bedivere, the loyal cup-bearer who supports Arthur (and is the last to leave his side after his death)?
  • Faith is Morgan le Fay, Arthur's sister who loves him, then betrays him and becomes his bitterest enemy, only to be finally reconciled with him and escort him to his rest in Avalon.
  • Angel is Guenever, Arthur's first true love, who eventually betrays him with someone else (possibly because she and Arthur can never have children together).
  • Spike is... hmm. Pre-soul, I'm tempted to say Sir Tristram, with the love potion making him fall in love with Buffy/Arthur instead of Isolte. Post-soul, maybe Sir Lancelot (in his "parfait gentil knight" phase rather than his "I'm sleeping with the Queen behind the King's back" phase. Though opinions on that may vary...)
  • If Angel is Guenever and Spike is Sir Lancelot, that means... uh oh. Not going there. :-)
  • If Spike is Lancelot then Principal Wood is Sir Agravaine - the one who revealed Lancelot's crimes and tried to get Arthur to have him executed.
  • Vampires are obviously Saxons.
  • The Holy Grail would be Buffy's attempt to have a normal life? Or to end all evil forever?

Thoughts? Disagree with my choices? Any other Arthurian characters you can parallel to Buffyverse ones?


 

Comments

Posted by: Beer Good (beer_good_foamy)
Posted at: 22nd April 2008 20:36 (UTC)

...and Twilight are the cops who show up and arrest them all just as they're about to storm Castle Aaaaargh.

(C'mon, I had to do it.) :-)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 22nd April 2008 20:54 (UTC)

*Ignores you*

You silly foreign person, you.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 22nd April 2008 21:40 (UTC)

Posted by: Beer Good (beer_good_foamy)
Posted at: 22nd April 2008 22:02 (UTC)

Posted by: ladypeyton (ladypeyton)
Posted at: 23rd April 2008 16:25 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd April 2008 19:20 (UTC)

Posted by: mrs_underhill (mrs_underhill)
Posted at: 23rd April 2008 17:04 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd April 2008 19:19 (UTC)

Posted by: Ruuger (ruuger)
Posted at: 22nd April 2008 20:55 (UTC)
Big Damn Hero

Maybe the Holy Grail could be the whole slayer power package?

Then again, my knowledge of Arthurian canon is pretty much limited to what I've learned from Monty Python and that mini-series with Sam Neill as Merlin, and I haven't read the comics since the Faith arc, so feel free to ignore me :)

and I once worked out the who-is-who of Buffyverse if it was The Moomins ;)

Posted by: Beer Good (beer_good_foamy)
Posted at: 22nd April 2008 21:02 (UTC)

and I once worked out the who-is-who of Buffyverse if it was The Moomins ;)

This I've GOT to hear.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 22nd April 2008 21:24 (UTC)

Posted by: Speaker-to-Customers (speakr2customrs)
Posted at: 22nd April 2008 22:09 (UTC)

Posted by: mr_waterproof (mr_waterproof)
Posted at: 23rd April 2008 17:59 (UTC)

Posted by: Ruuger (ruuger)
Posted at: 23rd April 2008 18:07 (UTC)

Posted by: flake_sake (flake_sake)
Posted at: 22nd April 2008 20:58 (UTC)

Post soul spike would work as Parsifal, leaving to quest for the grail on his own. Although I like where your idea leads much better ;-)

Dawn would make a good Galahad I think, being the youngest with all that potential.

It would be easier the Angel way round. Connor being the perfect Mordred.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 22nd April 2008 21:30 (UTC)

Hmm. Connor as Mordred would work, but wouldn't you have to ignore Angel Season 5?

I can see Dawn as either Percival or Galahad, actually - Percival from the bits where as a youngster he sees a questing knight (/Slayer) and decides he wants to be one too.

Plus aren't Percival and Galahad basically the same person, just from two different versions of the story, anyway? ;-)

Posted by: I write tragedies, not sins (mabus101)
Posted at: 23rd April 2008 02:16 (UTC)

Depends on what happens after Season 5. Give the boy some time. *evil*

Posted by: flake_sake (flake_sake)
Posted at: 23rd April 2008 07:51 (UTC)

Connor as Mordred would work, but wouldn't you have to ignore Angel Season 5?
Maybe, but Arthur and Mordred also had times when they got along

Plus aren't Percival and Galahad basically the same person, just from two different versions of the story, anyway? ;-)
I wouldn't know the legend that well. I read about seven different versions when I was a kid and they are all one big blur in my head nowadays. Either one or the other finds the grail usually, but in the rest of their stories are pretty different, aren't they? Percival having the whole crossdresser history and everything.

The Capo di famiglia would have to be the green knight, not minding beheading so much.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd April 2008 11:30 (UTC)

Posted by: flake_sake (flake_sake)
Posted at: 23rd April 2008 23:30 (UTC)

Posted by: Shiny (shiny_n_new)
Posted at: 22nd April 2008 21:19 (UTC)
The Immortal Ships Spangel

"If Angel is Guenever and Spike is Sir Lancelot, that means... uh oh. Not going there. :-)"

Even ancient English legends prove that Spangel is canon ;)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 22nd April 2008 21:30 (UTC)

But it only happened "that one time." :-)

Posted by: Peasant (peasant_)
Posted at: 23rd April 2008 06:46 (UTC)

Wasn't that exactly what Lancelot and Guenevere said?

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd April 2008 11:39 (UTC)

Posted by: Elena (moscow_watcher)
Posted at: 23rd April 2008 14:07 (UTC)

Posted by: Peasant (peasant_)
Posted at: 23rd April 2008 06:47 (UTC)

Vampires are obviously Saxons

So we're talking some sort of Doctor Who cross-over?

Posted by: joe_sweden (joe_sweden)
Posted at: 23rd April 2008 14:18 (UTC)


Thoughts? Disagree with my choices? Any other Arthurian characters you can parallel to Buffyverse ones?

Interesting parallel with Giles-or-other-watchers-as-Merlin, in that Merlin arranged for Arthur’s to be knocked up by mystical rape action, just like the first watcher types with the first slayer. Giles symbolically replays this “rape” in Helpless, with the needles, though ends up changing his mind.

Also, Merlin gets younger after being older. Band Candy? ;)

Re the Holy Grail parallels...I'm also feeling a lot of "Life of Brian." Buffy is SO Brian.

And MOO is the people's front of Judea.

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 23rd April 2008 15:12 (UTC)

Merlin arranged for Arthur’s to be knocked up by mystical rape action
Good point! :-)


Buffy is SO Brian.

Especially in Season 8, when it seems that she's being treated as the Messiah by her followers despite (a) her own wishes (b) the fact that she's really not that perfect...

Posted by: mr_waterproof (mr_waterproof)
Posted at: 25th April 2008 17:04 (UTC)

Posted by: StephenT (stormwreath)
Posted at: 25th April 2008 20:16 (UTC)

Posted by: ladypeyton (ladypeyton)
Posted at: 23rd April 2008 16:23 (UTC)

Honestly? I think post soul Spike is Parsifal with the Grail being a closed hellmouth, but the rest are spot on!

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